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    In these United States, a minor phenomenon according to author Celeste Ray in her book Highland Heritage, has established itself. She calls it highlandism. It’s similar to the tartanization of Scotland during the era of Sir Walter Scott.

    She has researched the often overzealous love of tartan & clans by Americans of Scottish descent and especially those in the American South.

    As a result of highlandism, many now cherished (and incorrect) beliefs have become thoroughly entrenched. These would include the Mc v. Mac argument, authority to wear specific tartans, kirkings of tartan, and in this case the right to don an image of the Rampant Lion.

    Almost no matter where I go decked out in Highland finery, there’s some eedjit who’s gonna tell me what/how I’m wearing something, piping a tune, ad nauseum is somehow incorrect. And almost always he knows just enough to be dangerous. Too often he’s an insufferable boor.

    This is how Jack Daw arrived at his conclusion – I must agree as well. Wearing will make the owner an eejit magnet. Even wearing the saltire may draw the wrath of some jughead.

    Slainte yall,
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS Sanders View Post

    In these United States, a minor phenomenon according to author Celeste Ray in her book Highland Heritage, has established itself. She calls it highlandism. It’s similar to the tartanization of Scotland during the era of Sir Walter Scott.

    She has researched the often overzealous love of tartan & clans by Americans of Scottish descent and especially those in the American South.

    As a result of highlandism, many now cherished (and incorrect) beliefs have become thoroughly entrenched. These would include the Mc v. Mac argument, authority to wear specific tartans, kirkings of tartan, and in this case the right to don an image of the Rampant Lion.

    Almost no matter where I go decked out in Highland finery, there’s some eedjit who’s gonna tell me what/how I’m wearing something, piping a tune, ad nauseum is somehow incorrect. And almost always he knows just enough to be dangerous. Too often he’s an insufferable boor.

    This is how Jack Daw arrived at his conclusion – I must agree as well. Wearing will make the owner an eejit magnet. Even wearing the saltire may draw the wrath of some jughead.

    Slainte yall,
    steve
    Well said, Steve. Ms. Ray's little book is well worth the read. After I read it the first time, the games were never the same for me again.

    In general, Ms. Ray is very complimentary towards the Scottish-American community, even whilst pointing out the myths that abound in it.

    T.

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    I think your all taking it a bit seriously, you can buy both of them as patches at almost every gift shop in Scotland and for that matter most in London, not something that you would find with the presidential.
    In addition that is no longer the royal standard, its the old standard of scotland the current is standard is the royal which incorporates the scots/Irish/English

    I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    I think your all taking it a bit seriously, you can buy both of them as patches at almost every gift shop in Scotland and for that matter most in London, not something that you would find with the presidential.
    In addition that is no longer the royal standard, its the old standard of scotland the current is standard is the royal which incorporates the scots/Irish/English

    I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.
    Yes, I saw the old RL flown at the lodge where I stayed near Taynuilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    I think your all taking it a bit seriously, you can buy both of them as patches at almost every gift shop in Scotland and for that matter most in London, not something that you would find with the presidential.
    In addition that is no longer the royal standard, its the old standard of scotland the current is standard is the royal which incorporates the scots/Irish/English

    I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.


    So it's OK for the RL?

    Well, I was originally planning to wear just the Saltire but....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    I think your all taking it a bit seriously, you can buy both of them as patches at almost every gift shop in Scotland
    In addition that is no longer the royal standard, its the old standard of scotland the current is standard is the royal which incorporates the scots/Irish/English

    I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.


    The Rampant Lion standard is personal to the Sovereign and is different than the the Royal standard you show. The latter is the personal standard of the Queen and quarters the rampant lion.

    Yes, nearly every souvenir shop in Scotland offers the Rampant Lion in one form or another. That doesn't make it correct, of course, just commonly misused. It IS a beautiful standard and that makes it highly desireable from a commercial point of view.

    On your last point, Bowser, I couldn't agree with you more: the US President's flag I posted earlier is known by all in the US to be inappropriate for common use; the Rampant Lion is also inappropriate (with respect, even some Scots don't know that) for common use.

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    flag reverence.

    Quote Originally Posted by bowser View Post
    I think you will find in general Americans have a lot more reverence for flags than we do over here.
    The most obvious example of this to my eye is the prevalence of clothing "out of" the flag. Until very recently and still pretty uncommon you would never see t shirts, boxers, shorts, etc of the US flag yet regularly see the Union Jack, Saltire, Irish National, Italian, French flags on the same items particularly at football/ soccer matches.

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    I think it must have started when Def Lepard started wearing Union Jack clothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebite View Post
    The most obvious example of this to my eye is the prevalence of clothing "out of" the flag. Until very recently and still pretty uncommon you would never see t shirts, boxers, shorts, etc of the US flag yet regularly see the Union Jack, Saltire, Irish National, Italian, French flags on the same items particularly at football/ soccer matches.
    Of course, it should be pointed out that in some countries, private citizens do not fly the state flag at all -- only recently has India, for example, made it legal for her citizens to display the national flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebite View Post
    The most obvious example of this to my eye is the prevalence of clothing "out of" the flag. Until very recently and still pretty uncommon you would never see t shirts, boxers, shorts, etc of the US flag yet regularly see the Union Jack, Saltire, Irish National, Italian, French flags on the same items particularly at football/ soccer matches.
    Hmm....you must have missed the '60's.

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