Wearing both ancient and modern

[Panache]

Dead easy old chap. Just bring the C O a case of gin.

I suppose the just empty bottles wouldn't count?

Cheers

Jamie

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I suppose the just empty bottles wouldn't count?

Cheers

Jamie

Enlist this man as a corporal. Then put him on report.

[macwilkin]

Now I have to admit I'd never given this much thought before, but kilt wearing in North America is a relatively new thing-- certainly post WWII and probably something that didn't really get going until the 1960s, '70s, or '80s.

That said, the North American "new boys" are probably doing exactly what our umpty-ump grandfathers in Scotland did in 1822-- going crazy trying to look "right". Meaning this in the nicest possible way, an "instant" Scotsman in North America probably feels a far greater need to "look" highland than those of us who (often) make do with Uncle Bill's old kilt.

I can't say I agree with you on the first point, Scott. There were a number of kilted gents who were members of the Order of Scottish Clans, various and sundry Caledonian/St. Andrew's and Burns Clubs, masonic lodges, and militia units (79th NY) that wore kilts during the mid-to-late 19th century onwards.

I daresay the popularity has increased since the 1960s, but there were kilts here.

Regards,

Todd

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I can't say I agree with you on the first point, Scott. There were a number of kilted gents who were members of the Order of Scottish Clans, various and sundry Caledonian/St. Andrew's and Burns Clubs, masonic lodges, and militia units (79th NY) that wore kilts during the mid-to-late 19th century onwards.

I daresay the popularity has increased since the 1960s, but there were kilts here.

Regards,

Todd

Todd, I was speaking in very broad terms and yes, kilts have been won by a few traditionalists and die hards (and the odd military unit) since before the founding of the Republic.

I probably should have said something more like "the popularity of wearing the kilt is a relatively new thing in North America", and I'll probably edit my post to reflect this... in fact, I just have.

[macwilkin]

Todd, I was speaking in very broad terms and yes, kilts have been won by a few traditionalists and die hards (and the odd military unit) since before the founding of the Republic.

I probably should have said something more like "the popularity of wearing the kilt is a relatively new thing in North America", and I'll probably edit my post to reflect this... in fact, I just have.

Great minds think alike, Scott.

T.

[Bugbear]

All I know is that I just took the kilt pin, it was my high school mascot, off my kilt, and replaced it with the four inch safetypin-like blanket pin that was my first kilt pin.

And yes, the clasp end is pointing downward.

I don't have a shoulder plaid of any sort, so I guess I can't worry about that.

* A little while ago, I got a feel of what it is like to have a tartan. I think I understand better now about the feelings behind the clan tartans and why they should be respected. *

[Bugbear]

Adds character. Maybe a little bit like old battle worn flags...

Ehh... the old tartan and bonnet, not the wrench.

[Bugbear]

Oh my gosh!

[piperdbh]

Is it fair to say that most of what we now consider Highland attire was born of necessity and functionality, and to a large degree on the resources and skill available to the local weaver, and then over time the better or more useful components of said attire held on and were made popular by much usage?

When we newly minted kilties sally forth to buy a bran spankin' new kit, we want everything to match because we've been conditioned to think everything needs to match. Did our forebears have any such thought, or did they wear what they had, regardless of whether it matched or not, because it was handy and they were cold?

[Jock Scot]

Is it fair to say that most of what we now consider Highland attire was born of necessity and functionality, and to a large degree on the resources and skill available to the local weaver, and then over time the better or more useful components of said attire held on and were made popular by much usage?

When we newly minted kilties sally forth to buy a bran spankin' new kit, we want everything to match because we've been conditioned to think everything needs to match. Did our forebears have any such thought, or did they wear what they had, regardless of whether it matched or not, because it was handy and they were cold?

Probably a bit of both. Before the "Tartan Revolution" in 1822 it is generally accepted that there were few actual Clan tartans, so most people wore whatever the local weaver could produce and yes to keep warm. I can quite see that there were plenty of "newly minted" Scots kilties after the 1820's. Fashion, better cloth mills, Scottishness, etc., ran rife and most of all the "newly found idea" of clan tartans took a hold, so apart from keeping warm the new kiltie must have had an opportunity for everything to match.Just like new kilties of today.The difference being that in Scotland we have had 200 years to mix and not match too well, assorted tartans of clans,for the reasons that I have discussed earlier in this thread.