Feathers and plants

[Bugbear]

Well... I'm glad I didn't give to much weight to the two "septs" that I found links to in my family. It was all too much of a stretch anyway. And my sir name is... nothing really.

Stretch the rubber band too far and it snaps.

[Jock Scot]

Hi Scott, Thats not how I read it,

"Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, GCVO WS (1893-1971) Lord Lyon King of Arms, 1945-1969, after being Carrick Pursuivant and Albany Herald in the 1930’s makes mention in the book Clan Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlands 1952 co-authored by Frank Adam that; “septs must be regarded as a rather wonderful effort of imagination” and “The very word ‘sept’ is delusive and no serious attention can now be attached to Skene’s theories about ‘septs”. He also states that some Clan historians could be being found guilty of “sept-snatching”.

Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw, Baronet, QC, Rothesay Herald of Arms and Chief of Clan Agnew, also makes mention of Clan ‘septs’ in his article ‘Clans, Families & Septs’;

However it is to long winded to post here but its along the same lines

JOhn

Absolutely! The tourist trade and their biscuit tin version of Scots history over the last 100 years or so, is largely responsible for the wishful thinking and misconceptions of so many, including the Scots themselves, that the truth of our history is a scarce commodity.

[macwilkin]

post deleted; off-topic.

T.

[gilmore]

Absolutely! The tourist trade and their biscuit tin version of Scots history over the last 100 years or so, is largely responsible for the wishful thinking and misconceptions of so many, including the Scots themselves, that the truth of our history is a scarce commodity.

Not to mention Hollywood and the movies.

In the US so many people, especially younger guys looking for assertive, masculine images to emulate, had decided that "Scots" = Mel Gibson in Braveheart,[I] or the fictitious Duncan MacLeod in The Highlalnder movies and TV series. There is an assumption that wearing a kilt is rebellious, agressive, possibly meanspirited, and quick to wrath. Historical evidence that does not support those assumptions tends to be ignored.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Hi Scott, Thats not how I read it,

"Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, GCVO WS (1893-1971) Lord Lyon King of Arms, 1945-1969, after being Carrick Pursuivant and Albany Herald in the 1930’s makes mention in the book Clan Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlands 1952 co-authored by Frank Adam that; “septs must be regarded as a rather wonderful effort of imagination” and “The very word ‘sept’ is delusive and no serious attention can now be attached to Skene’s theories about ‘septs”. He also states that some Clan historians could be being found guilty of “sept-snatching”.

Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw, Baronet, QC, Rothesay Herald of Arms and Chief of Clan Agnew, also makes mention of Clan ‘septs’ in his article ‘Clans, Families & Septs’;

However it is to long winded to post here but its along the same lines

JOhn

John, you are, of course, absolutely correct (as was Sir Tam, et al), and thank you for bringing my original post to my attention.

It seems that in my reply to "Tombstone Corbies" I jumbled a couple of sentences which I have now placed back in their proper order!

[Friday]

Historical evidence that does not support those assumptions tends to be ignored.

It is not just historical evidence that is ignored, you should attend some on the business meetings I have with senior management.

[Bugbear]

Not to mention Hollywood and the movies.

In the US so many people, especially younger guys looking for assertive, masculine images to emulate, had decided that "Scots" = Mel Gibson in Braveheart,[I] or the fictitious Duncan MacLeod in The Highlalnder movies and TV series. There is an assumption that wearing a kilt is rebellious, agressive, possibly meanspirited, and quick to wrath. Historical evidence that does not support those assumptions tends to be ignored.

You mean you don't turn into a ten foot tall, he-man, barbarian when you strap on a kilt, Gilmore?

Actually, Gilmore, it's neat that you have been able to stick to tracing your family line back and linking it to tartan etc. I don't have the resources, or the connection to family to do that, but mor power to those who do. My father bought one of those aughful "family crests" when I was a little kid and all that stuff, too. * sigh *

[gilmore]

You mean you don't turn into a ten foot tall, he-man, barbarian when you strap on a kilt, Gilmore?

Actually, Gilmore, it's neat that you have been able to stick to tracing your family line back and linking it to tartan etc. I don't have the resources, or the connection to family to do that, but mor power to those who do. ...

It doesn't take a lot of resources to do genealogical research, just patience, perserverance, and the inability to be able to think up anything better to do with your time. It is definitely not something for those who want instant gratification. My relatives---and later I--- has been doing it off and on for several generations. It takes time.