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23rd April 09, 11:05 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
I hope you're all clad in St. George's tartan today! What do you mean, you're not? LOL!
 Originally Posted by skauwt
now now there`s no need for affective prejudice i thought this was a friendly site that welcomes folk from all parts of the world regadless of country
Not being British of any stripe, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think that any kind of prejudice was meant. I just heard a kilt enthusiast pushing the purchase of another kilt! 
 Originally Posted by English Bloke
Nope, seeing as St George was reputed to be Turkish, I'm wearing a fez and drinking this actually!
Actually, he would have been Greek, as were most inhabitants of that region until the invasion of the Turks during the Middle Ages.
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23rd April 09, 11:13 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by Galician
Not being British of any stripe, .
kinda says it all really its a sad day when folk have to flame a topic which was meant as a goodwill to other nations
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23rd April 09, 03:13 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by Galician
Actually, he would have been Greek, as were most inhabitants of that region until the invasion of the Turks during the Middle Ages.
Another actually? Gor Blimey Guv!
Actually he was born in Cappadocia. Cappadocia is NOW most definately in Turkey... or it was last time I was there. But you are right of course, St George? definately not Turkish... 1 point to you sir... Thankyou for pointing that out.
Not sure about the Greek though, not in a riding a moped everywhere, 1.12 Euros to the Pound, zatsiki and pita, Shirley Valentine sort of Greek anyway. Much like Cappadocia isn't (or wasn't) Turkey. Could it not be argued that as his Dad was a Roman Army Bloke (Cappadocia Detachment? probably Armenian) and his Mum was a Palastinian he was possibly more Roman than Greek? In the broad sense of course. He was born around 250AD and Cappadocia became a Roman Province in 17AD under Emperor Tiberius and after that was Byzantine... Do we really care? Does anyone really care?
Happy St George's Day!
Last edited by English Bloke; 23rd April 09 at 03:58 PM.
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28th April 09, 02:01 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by English Bloke
Another actually? Gor Blimey Guv!
Actually he was born in Cappadocia. Cappadocia is NOW most definately in Turkey... or it was last time I was there. But you are right of course, St George? definately not Turkish... 1 point to you sir... Thankyou for pointing that out.
Not sure about the Greek though, not in a riding a moped everywhere, 1.12 Euros to the Pound, zatsiki and pita, Shirley Valentine sort of Greek anyway. Much like Cappadocia isn't (or wasn't) Turkey. Could it not be argued that as his Dad was a Roman Army Bloke (Cappadocia Detachment? probably Armenian) and his Mum was a Palastinian he was possibly more Roman than Greek? In the broad sense of course. He was born around 250AD and Cappadocia became a Roman Province in 17AD under Emperor Tiberius and after that was Byzantine... Do we really care? Does anyone really care?
Happy St George's Day!
Are you saying he is actually Brian?
The 'Eathen in his idleness bows down to wood and stone,
'E don't obey no orders unless they is his own,
He keeps his side arms awful,
And he leaves them all about,
Until up comes the Regiment and kicks the 'Eathen out.
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28th April 09, 05:20 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by Courtmount
Are you saying he is actually Brian?
Brian? Do you think so? Crikey! I never thought of that...
And for those of you looking on in amazement and wondering why the threads regarding Saint Patrick's Day talked about green beer and funny hats and didn't raise similar heated debate, now you can get a feel for how despised the English are (not as individuals of course) and why we tend to play it quietly. Any display of English patriotism always (in my experience) stirs up this kind of boiling pot... I'd remind that the OP (who is a Scot by the way) mearly intended to wish the English a happy Saint George's Day, not to stoke the fires of civil war. Calm down chaps, it was all a long time ago.
I'm with Trefor. Many Welsh don't see the Union Flag as one flag representing all Britons, they see it as three flags that don't represent them at all... Although I love it, appreciate it's history and would hate to see it go; I think it's a slight on the MODERN Welsh to have no representation on the National Flag. Although it's important from a historical perspective that we know and understand what went on in centuries past, it's not really relevent to the Welsh people of today; the ones living NOW in Cardiff and Aberystwyth and Rhyl: I can fully appreciate why it is seen as insulting and patronising to be regarded as England's baby brother and not hold a national identity in one's own right... because you're only a Principality after all! Having discussed this at length with other Welshmen I fully comprehend the 'History be damned!' argument.
The move to federalism in Europe should, in time make all this irrelevant as there won't be a Union to worry about. Mind that said, it's arguable whether there is any Union left anymore (as this thread aptly demonstrates). I personally would welcome devolution for the ENGLISH now. Perhaps then it would finally put an end to this collective resentment that has existed between us since William the Bastard and we can all go forward and forge our own destinies...
And a happy retrospective Saint Goerge's Day.
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28th April 09, 04:58 PM
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