Quote Originally Posted by thanmuwa View Post
Wrong.
Ireland was a kingdom from 1542–1801, initially under Henry VIII. The king of England had previously held the title Lord of Ireland, given by the 1155 Laudabiliter papal bull, issued by Pope Adrian IV, the only English Pope (one did more than enough damage, no more thanks! ). The King in question (the first Lord of Ireland) was Henry II.
The Acts of Union that gave rise to the modern United Kingdom and the Union Flag were uniting three Kingdoms and three Crowns: Ireland, England and Scotland.
I was of course referring to Ireland as a kingdom in its own right ruled by its own king. A "takeover" is not the same whether by dint of conquest or a Papal load of Bull. The Kingship of Ireland by an English monarch was disputed and resisted and was something that could not be enforced for centuries and when it was it was always against the wishes of the majority of its people. I know of no English monarch that was awarded the crown of or crowned in Ireland. As I pointed out also, the Acts of Union were to do with the Parliaments as Scotland had its own until 1707 and Ireland until 1801. Wales did have its own parliament at Machynlleth, established by Owain Glyndwr but this was dissolved by force rather than bribery as was the case with the others.

Quote Originally Posted by thanmuwa View Post
Whether it is correct for Ireland to still be represented on the Union Flag and especially on the Royal Standards, in a fashion that could be regarded as an ongoing claim, is another question entirely, and one that could be seen as just as provocative and political as Ireland's previous constitutional claims to Northern Ireland, so I for one am not getting into it.....

Because, as MOR has pointed out, Wales is a Principality, of the Kingdom of England, not a kingdom in it's own right.

I doubt the Union Flag will be changed voluntarily any time soon, and I doubt if Wales will ever have a big enough voice to make it happen, so while Wales is still in the UK, I guess you are stuck with it .
That claim was amended by a referendum and became part of the Good Friday Agreement.

Wales is a Principality but NOT of the Kingdom of England (which has not existed since 1603 in any case). Lichtenstein is also a Principalty, as is Monaco, but they have their own (resident) rulers, nationality and flags. So the "not a kingdom" argument simply does not hold water. Furthermore its has a largely self governing status as Scotland does and has the right, like Scotland, to vote itself independent by referendum should a majority vote be gained for that.

Scotland at least cannot claim it is being insulted by being not included in the Union Flag and Scottish Unionists can proudly point to the Saltire flying in the design. It may be that we are moving to a Federal system that stops short of full independence but even a Federal system, such as that of the US makes sure, that all parts of that are given a presence on the flag. If Puerto Rico, for example, ever became the 51st state then an extra star would appear on the US flag without argument. It is not a question of voice so much as a question of what is right.