Silk Formal Waistcoats?

[Bugbear]

I've been looking at different tuxedo sites for the three button waistcoats. I mostly find five or six button waistcoats that are supposed to be tuxedo vests... Not sure what that's about, but that would bother me.

Anyway, I have located several sources for black, satin silk bow ties. * I'm having to sort through all of those for actual self tie bow ties because the vast majority are pretied, which is what I do not want. *

Like I said, these accessories might need to serv the whole closet, so it's going to take a bit of sorting.

Or I don't have to try to put together a formal kilt outfit... and just settle with the daywear stuff I already have. I don't know. Guess the daywear stuff would get more use.