Irish wore kilts?

[macwilkin]

Boys.... although this exchange between O'Callaghan and Cajunscot has me on the edge of my seat, it really doesn't have much to do with the original topic, so might I be bold enough to suggest that private messages would be so much better...a nd I for one will just have to remain in the dark about the geographical topology of the States...

Of course the "Irish kilts" subject may have worn itself out for this month anyway!

My sincere apologies, Paul, for causing offence. It was not my intent to do so.

T.

[Paul Henry]

Todd..... you didn't cause offence, it simply was the latest in off topics.... and there had been several exchanges on the MD line....

but I still suggest that those type of exchanges are better on PM....

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

As you seem fond of pedantry, let me be the first to say that none were Episcopalian. The Church of England took that name in America due to the American revolution!

Might I suggest that you read up on The Scottish Episcopal Church before you suggest we aren't Episcopalians? The established church in Scotland, until being replaced by Presbyterianism in 1690, was the Church of Scotland, a part of the greater Anglican communion. After disestablishment it became the Scottish Episcopal Church.

Following the American War of Independence it was the Scottish Episcopal Church who provided the line of apostolic succession for newly created American Bishops in the Episcopal Church in the fledgling United States.

In Ireland not a single member of the Episcopate of the Church of Ireland (Anglican Communion) has been seen conducting services whilst wearing a kilt. Further proof, if such is needed, that the Irish didn't and don't wear the kilt. Even to Mass on on Sundays-- a fact I shall Gloriously celebrate tomorrow!

[gilmore]

Boys.... although this exchange between O'Callaghan and Cajunscot has me on the edge of my seat, it really doesn't have much to do with the original topic, so might I be bold enough to suggest that private messages would be so much better...a nd I for one will just have to remain in the dark about the geographical topology of the States...

Of course the "Irish kilts" subject may have worn itself out for this month anyway!

What I want to know is, do the Irish wear white kilt hose? If so, should they?

[macwilkin]

Post deleted. Off-topic reply.

T.

[Zardoz]

What I want to know is, do the Irish wear white kilt hose? If so, should they?

No we do not, nor should anyone in my opinion.

As you seem fond of pedantry,

Awesome use of the word 'pedantry' in a sentance O'Callaghan! If you have a vocabulary, don't be afraid to use it!

[DWFII]

Those earlier historians that regarded the Irish kilted leine as the first kilt were not wrong within their own parameters, they just didn't define the above event as creating the kilt.

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' ...

May I suggest that what Matt and others are saying is that facts have to be verifiable. Anything else is speculation (as CajunScot pointed out)...or wishful thinking.

To define the kilt as a once and future leine is to fall into Humpty's camp...with all the attendant consequences.

Taken to its logical conclusion, I don't know where you would (or could) draw the line between history and the phantastical (sic) representations at a Ren Faire.

[O'Callaghan]

Out of the mouth of an Irish History Buff!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwwMf5Et_tA

I eventually got that downloaded via my slow dialup connection, and it doesn't mention kilts. It doesn't even use the word kilt. What it does say is that there were no Irish family or county tartans historically. It doesn't say that tartan wasn't worn by the ancient Irish.

For that matter Most Scots clans acquired their tartans in the 19th century or later, with pehaps a dozen Scots clans having a tartan before that. Tartans in ancient times were mostly no more than pretty patterns with no particular significance, no matter who you were.

[sathor]

Note that there were many land disputes on those days, from the Wyoming Valley "War" in Pa. to the Carolina Regulators and most famously, the Green Mountain Boys against the "Yorkers".

The Ohio War is well know around here, and there are many people still very bitter about it. Some even think it is the basis for the UM/OSU rivalry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War

In the end, Ohio got Toledo, and Michigan got the UP.

[Ozark Ridge Rider]

The Ohio War is well know around here, and there are many people still very bitter about it. Some even think it is the basis for the UM/OSU rivalry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War

In the end, Ohio got Toledo, and Michigan got the UP.

Does that mean Michigan was the winner? Or the other way round?