I think this place has developed entirely too much angst...

[Tobus]

Face it, some have fashion sense, some don't.

Absolutely! And I freely admit I'm one of those who don't. Which is why I come here and ask a bunch of dumb questions first before wearing it in public. And the folks here have been excellent at answering those questions.

But it goes far beyond 'fashion sense' as most people know it. The kilt is a garment that most of us didn't grow up wearing, and haven't been exposed to in our daily lives. So it would be impossible to have any 'fashion sense' for a style of dress that we don't know what the fashions are. And when it comes to gentlemanly dress, too, some of us are in the dark. Some of you guys have no problems transitioning from formal panted wear to formal kilted wear. While others of us who come from lesser means don't even know what traditional formal wear is all about. Nor do we know which forks and spoons to use when they give us more than one at a fancy meal!

All that is to say, again, that I appreciate all the help from the traditionalists and nontraditionalists alike. Ain't nothing wrong with sharing the 'rules' and 'fashion suggestions' with others here, so long as it's done in a helpful manner.

[macwilkin]

Post deleted in deference to Jock's comments.

[Jock Scot]

To offer a counterpoint, many of us this form frequently refer to our kit by the "brand name", such as "My Newsome", "My Freelander", etc. It's not a matter of an affectation, but loyalty to a quality product. Given the fact that we live in a such a throwaway and sub-standard world today, who wouldn't want to shout from the rooftops about the purveyor of quality goods?

And of course, ultimately people shouldn't be judged by the fact that they can afford to buy a particular brand anymore than they can't. Reverse snobbery is just as bad in my book.

T.

Very bad form(in UK terms) to A. have anything new, well, more than one new thing at a time, anyway; and B. to mention who made a particular item.

[pdcorlis]

Interesting Jock - do you think that is a hold-over from the austerity of WWII and the post war period, or is it something deeper in the character or culture?

[macwilkin]

Very bad form(in UK terms) to A. have anything new, well, more than one new thing at a time, anyway; and B. to mention who made a particular item.

I hereby withdraw my previous comment.

T.

[Strings]

cajunscot: I understand where you're coming from. But I think what auld argonian is talking about is the obsessive attitude of some, where if you DON'T have *insert insanely overpriced item*, you shouldn't even bother.

If y'all will pardon me stepping over the line a bit, I see a LOT of that in trap shooting. Folks that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn (from the inside), swinging a shotgun that costs more than my wife's and mine's cars and motorcycles combined, and looking down their noses at us because we're using "lesser" equipment.

Thinking about it, I'd guess that it shows in almost any sport. And shows better in sports, because of more interaction. You're talking and comparing scores at a match, whereas the snobs might be ignoring you at a party...

[Jock Scot]

Interesting Jock - do you think that is a hold-over from the austerity of WWII and the post war period, or is it something deeper in the character or culture?

Oh it goes way back.The idea of "new money" is even today frowned upon by some. Any "new money" was regarded as loud, brash and no more than showing off(with a pinch of jealousy, no doubt!). Therefore "old money" from old families(they often had no money!)so say had the breeding. Don't forget there are families in the UK that go back some 500 years and they are still regarded as new by those that can go back 1000 years!Silly maybe, but this is why you "brash colonials" mystify some of us in the UK somewhat!Ok I am generalizing hugely,but it is in our breeding, for good or ill.

[English Bloke]

Very bad form(in UK terms) to A. have anything new, well, more than one new thing at a time, anyway; and B. to mention who made a particular item.

Very bad form it may be Jock but you can't say it's not common in modern Britain. I'm fed up of seeing peoples undercrackers. Sometimes I think I'll despair if I see another pair of Calvin Klein's tweaked higher up the waist than the half arsed pants the individual is wearing, just to brandish the brand. What a d*** sloppy fashion that is. Not that they don't have a perfect right to wear them that way of course.

[Rex_Tremende]

Oh, never mind.

wanders off....

Now, why would you go and lob a grenade into the aquarium like that and then go wander off?

[English Bloke]

Now, why would you go an lob a grenade into the aquarium like that and then go wander off?

Do you know? I was thinking that very same thing...