Kilts @ H&M

[Monkey@Arms]

Looks like girl clothes.

I hope I don't even see someone wearing such a thing in public. I fear it will be associated with real kilts and give us all a bad name. This is strictly for cross-dressing, I think.

If cross dressing means dressing up to make me cross, you're right on the number.

That's just silly. Someone should know better. I hope I never meet one alive, I wont be nice.

Not sure I understand the level of hostility being expressed toward potential purchasers, and I personally don't find it becoming. H&M is a big international retail chain, not some seller of kinky goods. Yeah, these fashions might not appeal to you (or perhaps me) but as I frequently say, if you don't like it, don't wear it.

Its not as if someone is forcing you to buy these outfits, or they are trying to mock Highland dress. A lot of things people wear aren't for me, including some depicted on these forums. Need I point out that there are plenty of people who think kilt wearers of all stripes (or should I say "plaids") look funny too?

Tolerance folks.

Best regards,

Jake

[thescot]

Not sure I understand the level of hostility being expressed toward potential purchasers, and I personally don't find it becoming. . . .

There is a great difference between hostility and disdain or dismissal. The outfit shown is akin to the things one sees on the runways of high fashion designers made of feathers and celophane. I don't really care to see them either; they're just silly looking. I was not being hostile; it was a high level of dimissive laughter. Lighten up.

I personally don't find the outfit becoming, and do not think it a kilt. In fact it is identical to an outfit my granddaughter (aged 2 1/2) wears which also has pleats in the front and leggings, only hers is not black and lacks that sassy, flirtatious slit up the side. Ooh, lah, lah.

Still looks like girl clothes.

Wadded underthings on the part of anyone who equates any "unbifurcated" garment with a kilt does not make it a kilt either. And there is, as was once clearly stated on the home page of this site, a huge difference between kilts and skirts. Reductio ad absurdum of a rather innocuous off-handed comment does not make the comment hostile.

And if anyone wants to cross dress, I'll certainly stand up for his right to do so--have at it. I don't care. But it's not necessarily wise or correct to inaacurately assign lack of tolerance to another, especially one who practices tolerance on an daily basis. Perhaps a lack of tolerance for folks who don't share your own opinion is a proper subject for introspection. But that's another thread.

Here's what it says on our homepage: "This is not a forum for men looking to wear womens clothing nor is it a forum for other types of men's un-bifurbricated garments."

[Nighthawk]

I personally don't find the outfit becoming, and do not think it a kilt. In fact it is identical to an outfit my granddaughter (aged 2 1/2) wears which also has pleats in the front and leggings, only hers is not black and lacks that sassy, flirtatious slit up the side. Ooh, lah, lah.

Still looks like girl clothes.

My 11 year old son, who has not actually studied the kilt as in depth as those of us on this forum, said the same thing. Even a child can see that those are skorts... ith:

[CMcG]

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Here's what it says on our homepage: "This is not a forum for men looking to wear womens clothing nor is it a forum for other types of men's un-bifurbricated garments."

The reason I originally started this thread is precisely because of what the homepage says. H&M is calling these garments kilts and marketing them to men, ergo it is a suitable topic for discussion. While much of the reaction towards them has been negative, the opinions expressed continue to be lively and I hope everyone is enjoying the thread.

Just in case it wasn't clear, please don't think I posted this out of a desire to cross-dress or wear a MUG.

[RockyR]

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[Lyle1]

There is a great difference between hostility and disdain or dismissal.


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Synonyms for hostility: antagonism, unfriendliness, resentment, aggression

Synonyms for disdain: scorn, contempt, derision, condescension

I'm not sure I see much difference. The attitude that is conveyed would seem to be the same.

[Jock Scot]

Synonyms for hostility: antagonism, unfriendliness, resentment, aggression

Synonyms for disdain: scorn, contempt, derision, condescension

I'm not sure I see much difference. The attitude that is conveyed would seem to be the same.

There seems to be a world of difference between the two, to my mind. Hostility is "active", whilst disdain is "passive".

[CMcG]

I'm with Jock, they are similar but not the same.

Hostility has the connotation of active negativity toward something, usually in the form of an attack, verbal or otherwise.

Disdain is more of a negative attitude toward something, mostly in an expressed or implied opinion.

Hostility is not OK on the forum, but politely expressed disdain usually is.

[Phil]

There seem to be two differing views going on here, one is that the garments should not be called a kilt and the other that wearing them in some way defines the wearer’s sexuality. I am not sure that there is an exclusive definition of a kilt beyond it being a form of pleated skirt derived from the national dress of Scottish men which is generally recognised as being made from tartan cloth. As to clothing defining anything about the wearer’s sexual orientation simply by the way it is styled is straying onto much less safer ground and probably says more about the person’s own prejudices than anything else. Of course we have to recognise that society demands much greater conformity of behaviour, appearance and dress from men than it does of women and this is no doubt where much of the seeming prejudice derives from. Good heavens, we even have contributors here who cannot accept long-established and traditional highland dress items such as lace jabots and buckle brogues which they equate to more feminine attire, describing them as “mary janes” and the suchlike. Of course manly, thigh-slapping shoes such as the Glenfinnan type are OK.
I think what Jock, myself and others are really trying to say is that there is Scottish highland dress and then there are all sorts of different styles of other skirt-like garments which, because they are mostly being worn by men, are described as kilts to get away from any suggestion of cross-dressing.
By the way and as an aside, is there really such a word as "unbifurbricated" which appears on the opening page of the site. I look at it every time I visit and say to myself I really must ask about it. The word couldn't really be "unbifurcated" could it?