You mean like this (me on the left)?



This was at a formal (although not specifically listed as black tie) dinner in Edinburgh at an international society meeting for folks who do what I do. A newfound friend is on the right in his PC. (Please forgive me the white socks---I had not been a forum member long enough to learn about the "white socks issue" at that time).

I personally like the looks of a Ruche tie although others will tell you it is a poor man's excuse for a real tie or cravat. To each his own.

jeff