Why no pubs in America?

[Lachlan09]

There’s a few Scottish pubs I know of which could have been dismantled and taken to the States !! I think the South Bronx would have been a fitting venue for them.

Scottish working men’s pubs of old were for one thing and one thing only – hard drinking for men . As a result the bar counter was usually long and straight and there were no chairs or tables. The idea was to cram them in and pour drink down their throats and there was no intention to make them comfortable by seating them. Besides, tables and chairs took up space. Some pubs kept a ready supply of filled pint glasses on the counter ready to drink, or else a bevy (excuse pun) of barmen to keep up with demand. There was no food, not even crisps or peanuts and no soft drinks. I remember a so-called modern pub in Rose Street, Edinburgh about 1979 and I ordered a soft drink as I still didn’t feel well from my last drinking session. The barman said “If you want a soft drink, go to a café”.

I remember working-class pubs in Edinburgh and Glasgow without tables and chairs, large empty rooms with industrial linoleum floors made for mass-drinking. When I went to England on holiday in the early 1970’s my brother and me went into a lovely country pub and had this amazing creation “Chicken in a Basket”. It was light years ahead of Scotland. Food in a working-mans' pub in Scotland ? – No way ! They also had families allowed in the pub ! Not in Scotland at that time. The Scots were barbarians at that time when it came to their drinking culture and only with the 1980’s did they creak into modernity. Don’t get me wrong, in the 1970’s there were hotels with bars and posh pubs around, but “normal” pubs were basic and attitudes to drink were archaic. Hardly surprising when you consider in the 1960’s New Year first-footing in Scotland offered whisky and beer for the men, ruby port (how posh !) and advocaat for the ladies and hellish awful ginger or raspberry cordial for any kids who were allowed to stay up late. What happened in Scotland though was that many “fashionable” working-class young men in the late 1960’s/1970’s raised their sights and shunned those booze factories in favour of “posh” pubs. For instance, there were good beer "standing only" pubs like Mather’s Bar in Edinburgh, but I avoided them and made for pubs with a comfortable surrounding and tables and chairs (and even food), like the Beau Brummell, Chic Murray's or the Claret Jug (all in nicer parts of town). The padded leather chairs in the Claret Jug were so excellent and helped me relax with a Newcastle Brown ! Chat to the girls and no pressure to drink up.

During the 70’s, there was a legendary Edinburgh pub in Thistle Street called “The Oxford Bar”. It was 2 tiny rooms, the little front-room was standing room only and the back-room had ex-church pews and heavy, but shoogly cast-iron tables. The pub was owned by Willie Ross. He was an old curmudgeon and an avid ScotNat. He detested Englishmen with a vengeance and did not allow them into his pub. It was no publicity stunt. He really mass-banned them. He had various whiskies and only sold beer, not lager. He also only had pint glasses. One Christmas-time, some work-colleagues went there for a pre-dinner pint. One of our number, a rather aloof pipe-smoking professional gent, asked for a half-pint of lager !!! Willie nearly burst veins in his neck at the request. Shouting, he ordered our colleague out of the pub and it took some explaining and apologies to rescind the ban !! Willie used to keep his own hours in opening and closing and once he shut the pub and ordered everyone out as he was going to get some messages (shopping) for his wife ! Mind you he was a character – the grumpy old buzzard !!!

[Galician]

There’s a few Scottish pubs I know of which could have been dismantled and taken to the States !! I think the South Bronx would have been a fitting venue for them.

As a native of that area, I don't know as I'd expect that kind of establishment to thrive there. The bars I knew growing up were the kind which would be split into men's and ladies' section, with their appropriate entrances. It was the latter which had tables and served food, but there were no dividers between them.

I would add that there were over thirty beergardens in the South Bronx, which were shut down by F.B.I. at the start of WWII. They were suspected to be bases of Nazi sympathizers (perhaps with lots of reason). Locally, that's what we consider to have been the demise of the "family bar" which the O.P. seems to mourn.

Btw, in NYC it was only in the 1970's that an establishment was allowed to use the term "saloon" for itself. There was a well-known restaurant near Lincoln Center, owned by a minor movie star of the day, which called itself "Balloon, as a result. To me that shows how legal hostility to bars died slowly.

[Streetcar]

(Warning - mass generalization ahead)
It seems most microbreweries I've seen tend to follow the sports-bar model - large open area, lots of tables, lots of televisions. Not terribly condusive to casual conversation, lingering over a book or a friendly game.

However, I've recently been seeing small breweries and bars starting to put more emphasis on the social angle. We're seeing longer, communal tables and smaller conversation areas with couches and overstuffed chairs.

Many of these places are very family friendly.
So while I agree that there aren't as many "Pubs" in the United States, they are out there if one is willing to look.