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View Poll Results: Which tartan shall we submit for consideration as the official New York State tartan?

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  • A

    13 26.53%
  • B

    3 6.12%
  • C

    25 51.02%
  • B with A as a hunting variant

    2 4.08%
  • I think we need to start over

    6 12.24%
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    There were a few "Heart of New York" designs that I liked better, but I have to go with "C."
    As to poll option #4, if I may quote the Expert:
    Quote Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome View Post
    A hunting tartan generally implies a tartan with a dominant green/blue color scheme, or sometimes mostly blue (MacLaine of Lochbuie Hunting, Earl of Inverness Hunting, etc.), or sometimes brown (Fraser Hunting). Generally the term "hunting" will describe a tartan in such a colors when the main tartan in question is a brighter color, such as red.
    By definition, all three designs could be called "hunting" tartans. Or none of them are, since there isn't a different NY tartan in brighter (red/orange/yellow) colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wompet View Post
    There were a few "Heart of New York" designs that I liked better, but I have to go with "C."
    As to poll option #4, if I may quote the Expert:

    By definition, all three designs could be called "hunting" tartans. Or none of them are, since there isn't a different NY tartan in brighter (red/orange/yellow) colors.
    Thanks, Wompet. I appreciate your comments.

    If this poll doesn't get much traction perhaps we'll start over with one of the other HONY designs. Maybe I should have included HONY1aaa as one of the choices. As the originator of the original I guess I gave myself a bit of latitude in making the selections and I may have been more arbitrary than I should have.

    As regards the hunting tartan question, it seems that there is more than one interpretation of the term. I certainly recognize, and respect, Matt's opinion in all things tartan. He is one of the world's foremost experts in the subject after all. In your quote he uses the term "generally implies" which creates a bit of wiggle room, and I think that's deliberate. Not because he is afraid to commit, but, like any good scholar, he understands that there are some practices or usages that defy rigid codification.

    On his website, in a discussion of which tartan one should choose, he uses the following words to describe hunting tartans:

    Generally, a hunting tartan is one that contains more earth-tones. When a tartan is primarily a bright color, such as red, it is very common to have an alternate tartan based in green, blue, brown or some combination thereof. Sometimes the hunting tartan is created by a simple color change, such [as] Hamilton.Other times these tartans are entirely different designs, as is the case with the Robertsons.
    The above quote is a bit different, being even more general and less precise, than the one you posted. As with the term "dress" in a tartan, the term "hunting" does not necessarily refer to some hard and fast rule of how they are designed. If the terms were rigid then the dress McLeod of Lewis would not be a dress tartan because the white most people associate with the term is not present at all.

    While not meaning to say that I feel your opinion is invalid, I think I have to come down on the side of saying that a hunting (or a dress) tartan is whatever the owner or designer says it is, within some pretty broad limits.

    Of course, my friend, you have every right to say I'm completely daft and don't have any idea what I am talking about. You'd not be the first

    Regards,

    Brian

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