untraditional traditions

[Jock Scot]

It should be noted that Jock Scot in his youth did travel to a warmer clime (Australia as I believe) so he has indeed experienced the meterological phenomenon known as "The Sun" and "Heat' first hand. As I recall he didn't care to much for either and promptly retreated to the highlands!



Cheers

Jamie :ootd:

Yes quite right, a few months of that sun and heat stuff and I was off home PDQ!

[Bugbear]

It's been up in the mid to low nineties over here, so not too bad. Soon it will be one-hundred plus, then at some point it will stop dropping below one-hundred in the evening. In July the Southwest monsoon weather comes and it is very humid and still above one-hundred. That is degrees in Fahrenheit, of course.

In my experience, it is one's shoes and kilt belt that cause a good deal of the heat problem when wearing the kilt here in the summer.

I have worn, with Jock's approval, a wide brim, straw hat with the traditional kilt.

With the contemporary canvas kilt, I have worn sandals.

I think I might be getting the shirt terminology mixed up; it sounds like some people are using the term T-shirt to mean undershirt. For example, I have some shirts that do not have the open button collar, like a polo shirt, just the round neck, and are not meant to be worn under another shirt. The sleeves are too long for them to be used as an undershirt etc.

[macwilkin]

I think I might be getting the shirt terminology mixed up; it sounds like some people are using the term T-shirt to mean undershirt. For example, I have some shirts that do not have the open button collar, like a polo shirt, just the round neck, and are not meant to be worn under another shirt. The sleeves are too long for them to be used as an undershirt etc.

Those are sometimes referred to as "henley shirts", Ted, although that particular style was worn as an undershirt during the late 19th century.

T.

[Bugbear]

Those are sometimes referred to as "henley shirts", Ted, although that particular style was worn as an undershirt during the late 19th century.

T.

Thanks Todd. If there were a collar on them, they would be a polo shirt, as far as I can tell.

[thescot]

It should be noted that Jock Scot in his youth did travel to a warmer clime (Australia as I believe) so he has indeed experienced the meterological phenomenon known as "The Sun" and "Heat' first hand. As I recall he didn't care to much for either and promptly retreated to the highlands!



Cheers

Jamie :ootd:

When in another life I had clients in Scotland and Northern Ireland--and travelled there often--I had occassion for a client to come to Atlanta.

After a day here, he was sun burned and sweating. He advised me that he was no great fan of the heat either. Both he and his Northern Ireland comrade agreed that they didnt turst weather that did not include a daily dose of wind and rain.

[CMcG]

I think that "tradition" implies something that has been "around" for a particular length of time. As far as I know, Utilikilts, sort of the first even vaguely mainstream kilt company was founded in 2000? It's now 2010. I don't think that ten years is really enough time to establish anything like a contemporary kilt "tradition".

But then, when I think of the term "contemporary kilt" I think of something like a Freedom Kilt or a Utilikilt or an X-Kilt or an Alphakilt or an R-Kilt. Sportkilts also fit into that category.

I think that some of you lads conceive of a "contemporary kilt" as being something like 8-yards of 16 ounce tartan pleated to sett, but just happens to be worn with something less dressy than a tweed jacket and waistcoat, with hose that coordinate with the primary color of your tartan.

You're right that ten years isn't really long enough to establish a tradition. But do you think Utilikilts could become a tradition? After 10 years, there are now a host of companies making kilts in that style, rather than it having been a turn-of-the-21st-century aberration.

As for contemporary kilts, I also think of Freedom Kilt, Utilikilt, X-Kilt, Alphakilt, Sportkilt, etc, etc. But I think a traditional tank can be, and is often, worn in untraditional ways, as part of a modern kilt outfit. For example, boots with scrunched hose seems to getting quite well established though it certainly isn't THCD. Rubber chicken sporrans, on the other hand, remains a rather isolated phenomenon

[Bugbear]

Ok, I looked up "henley shirts," and as best as I can tell, they normally have the three button opening at the neck and no collar.

There are other casual pull-over shirts that do not have the three button opening at the neck, and are not intended to be worn as an undershirt. In fact, they would not work well as undershirts, and often have designs or stripes or something on them. I have heard of these shirts being called T-shirts.

What are these shirts supposed to be called?

[Panache]

CMcg,

Consider white hose, belts with dress waist plates worn with a Prince Charlie coatee and waistcoat, tartan flashes, ghillie/highlander shirts, and fly plaids.

These are all fairly recent developments (most starting in the 1970's and the rise of kilt rental shops), but far longer than the modern take on kilts like R Kilts, Utilikilts, and such or wearing hiking boots with scrunched down hose with a kilt. Even with a few decades behind them there are many that do not /will not consider these traditional.

I suspect that the truth is there can be many overlapping traditions and in the end it boils down to what the individual likes and the justifications/reasoning they find to support their choices.

Cheers

Jamie :ootd:

[CMcG]

Ok, I looked up "henley shirts," and as best as I can tell, they normally have the three button opening at the neck and no collar.

There are other casual pull-over shirts that do not have the three button opening at the neck, and are not intended to be worn as an undershirt. In fact, they would not work well as undershirts, and often have designs or stripes or something on them. I have heard of these shirts being called T-shirts.

What are these shirts supposed to be called?

I think of a tee shirt as this:


And an undershirt as this:

[davidlpope]

This is what I call a t-shirt:


This is what I call an A-shirt or "wife-beater" (sorry, I know that term seems offensive, but that's really what most know them as...):


I consider both to be undergarments and don't wear them unless under other shirts.

David