The Crow nation

**macwilkin** · 29th June 10, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by BoldHighlander

I was thinking earlier, before Little Bighorn....but again, I maybe remembering incorrectly.

Anyhow, great discussion & apologies to Nighthawk for the semi-hijack of the topic.

Aye, Terry...I'll do some checking. And yes, a tug o' the forelock to Nighthawk for the distraction.

T.

**Bugbear** · 29th June 10, 02:19 PM

All right then, "six degrees," what are the connections between Scots and Little Bighorn, Crows, et al? Enjoying the discussion.

**macwilkin** · 29th June 10, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bugbear

All right then, "six degrees," what are the connections between Scots and Little Big Horn, Crows, et al? Enjoying the discussion.

Trooper John Stuart Forbes, of course:

http://www.friendslittlebighorn.com/...s_memorial.htm
http://www.friendslittlebighorn.com/...unday-post.htm

Todd

**Bugbear** · 29th June 10, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

Trooper John Stuart Forbes, of course:

http://www.friendslittlebighorn.com/...s_memorial.htm
http://www.friendslittlebighorn.com/...unday-post.htm

Todd

Thank you, cajunscot.

And I fixed the spelling in my post.

**Nighthawk** · 29th June 10, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bugbear

All right then, "six degrees," what are the connections between Scots and Little Bighorn, Crows, et al? Enjoying the discussion.

Well, here's a connection- when my group went on Saturday morning to get breakfast, we were all in garb. I was asked if we were part of the Custer reenactment by a patron. I told him "Yes. It's a little known fact that Custer employed a team of caber throwers as body guards. Numerous Crow got crushed by tree trunks throughout the course of the battle." Of course, our chief had to walk by and say "He's BS'ing you. We're here with the Scottish festival." Second time he's done that...

Originally Posted by Andy Proffitt

I've always found the Crow, Cheyenne, Ojibwe and Cherokee I know to relate well to Scots (in East Tennessee you are in the vast minority if you aren't 1/2 Cherokee and 1/2 Scottish, so apparently they have been...erm,...relating well for a while). I also have heard of fair understanding between Scots and the Maori of New Zealand. And well we should, we are all tribal warrior cultures that have been oppressed by the same country that shall not be named.
And Nighthawk I feel your pain. Whenever I go out it seems like I have a bachelorette party or two following me. It used to be cool, but since I got married I need to find the off button for the BachelorettePartyAttractor-inator.

After we went to leave, I was the last of my own group out of the bar. There was a girl from the party, all alone in the parking lot, dry heaving. She looked at me with these big tears in her eyes and said "I guess I was too drunk for the party." And she proceeded to throw up all over her hands. Well, being the kind hearted guy that I am, I stood behind her and held her hair until she was done, and then went into the bar to get her water and napkins and help her clean up. She was going to call a cab, and I was going to wait there with her until it came. Gods only know what would have happened to her otherwise, she was in such an inebriated state! She was trying to call the cab company on her cell phone when one of the other girls came back for her, complaining that she had to miss the rest of the party. Interesting thing about that is that the girl who was throwing up was the one who was hitting on me the hardest! And she really was a sweet and interesting girl when she was still sober, so really, I enjoyed (to what extent I could) that parking lot time with her. Once she was done puking, she was fun to chat with- lot's of bubbly personality. After I helped her to the car, she gave me a big hug and (GAG!! The breathe!!) a sweet kiss on the cheek and thanked me for taking care of her. Interesting evening...

**Bugbear** · 29th June 10, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

After we went to leave, I was the last of my own group out of the bar. There was a girl from the party, all alone in the parking lot, dry heaving. She looked at me with these big tears in her eyes and said "I guess I was too drunk for the party." And she proceeded to throw up all over her hands. Well, being the kind hearted guy that I am, I stood behind her and held her hair until she was done, and then went into the bar to get her water and napkins and help her clean up. She was going to call a cab, and I was going to wait there with her until it came. Gods only know what would have happened to her otherwise, she was in such an inebriated state! She was trying to call the cab company on her cell phone when one of the other girls came back for her, complaining that she had to miss the rest of the party. Interesting thing about that is that the girl who was throwing up was the one who was hitting on me the hardest! And she really was a sweet and interesting girl when she was still sober, so really, I enjoyed (to what extent I could) that parking lot time with her. Once she was done puking, she was fun to chat with- lot's of bubbly personality. After I helped her to the car, she gave me a big hug and (GAG!! The breathe!!) a sweet kiss on the cheek and thanked me for taking care of her. Interesting evening...

I think that was mor a ceremonial holly practice of the Southeastern tribes, Nighthawk... http://www.gardenguides.com/taxonomy...lex-vomitoria/

Just saying...

**Downunder Kilt** · 29th June 10, 05:44 PM

Well done Nighthawk, you are are a great ambassador for the kilted rabble

**Whidbey78** · 29th June 10, 06:33 PM

Sounds like a good time was had!

I live on the south border of the Pine Ridge Reservation(well, for another 5 days until Uncle Sam moves me) and my wife teaches art at Red Cloud School in Pine Ridge so we're at all the school events, pow-wows, etc. I've found the Lakota very receptive as well. And last year's All Nations in Denver was great...despite a notably smaller in turnout than it was in past years. I think the nod toward tradition and heritage, not to mention the confidence and courage to wear it, resonate well with natives from most tribes.

As said before, you are a fine ambassador!

**Andy Proffitt** · 29th June 10, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

Actually, the First Nations tended to side with the British during the Revolution. Same with the Highland Scots -- both tribal peoples didn't get along well with their American neighbors. See the aforementioned book by Colin Calloway.

T.

Man do I feel stupid. I guess my MacLean and MacDonnell ancestors didn't get that memo. They were supposed to be with Ferguson on King's Mountain, not with Sevier. We'll get that fixed.

**macwilkin** · 29th June 10, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Andy Proffitt

Man do I feel stupid. I guess my MacLean and MacDonnell ancestors didn't get that memo. They were supposed to be with Ferguson on King's Mountain, not with Sevier. We'll get that fixed.

Were they Highlanders, or Ulster-Scots? The Overmountain Men were mostly Ulster-Scots, and Sevier was of French Huguenot ancestry. There were Ulster-Scots who were descendants of Highlanders like the Gallowglas, but more recent immigrants from the Highlands did not usually support the Patriots.

Don't blame me; blame scholars such as Calloway, Duane Meyer, etc. There are always exceptions, but Meyer's research on the Highlander communities of NC pretty much confirm that they tended to support the Crown over their rebel neighbors.

T.