Thanks for all the extra help A lot of that stuff I had failed to research. There are some problems that have been arising... My Dad already has a very mishap of an outfit. Balmoral with dicing and no bow tie... Argyle tweed in lovat blue... silver sgian dubh... So at some level do we try to match to a certain extent or just forget about everything? We are set on the argyles over the barathea but there are still differences that can arise. All your comments though are duly noted and greatly appreciated