Virtual Kilt Check

[Woodsman]

So, in the end, the mystery still stands.

[macshorty]

There are few points on this forum that, when raised, show the residents here to be less than tolerant of their fellow man, quite obnoxious and unwelcoming to new members. I'm talking, at this point, about discussions on wearing white socks and what we wear under the kilt, if anything.

As someone entirely new to kilting, I see a definite value in this poll - it was put here to help educate those who have been told "EVERYONE goes regimental and if you're not then you're not wearing it properly" that there are people who wear a kilt every day and don't go regimental. It's just as valuable resource to me as Brice's price comparison thread was.

There is the option to vote and remain anonymous, or the option not to vote at all. If you take exception to the question being asked at all, then do the gentlemanly thing at just STAY OUT OF THE THREAD. Reading beyond the question and assuming that something has been implied about your kilt is just paranoia on your part..........There is no need to come in and attack the thread starter because of the nature of the question. This is a question all of us have been asked at one time or another by a complete stranger - if we can't talk to our peers within this group about it, then who can we discuss it with? Who can we ask to see if the claims of the non-kilters are correct? Reading beyond the question and assuming that something has been implied about your kilt is just paranoia on your part.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Whidbey78]

Kilt wearers of the 17th and 18th Centuries wore underwear with the kilt. Today we call it a shirt! Back then such garments were longer than most of our modern shirts and covered all the bits!

Kind of like my baby boy's onesey.



I'm really surprised by the offense some have taken to being asked...well, not even asked, but given an opportunity to answer or not and have the answer be known or not. It's kind of like asking someone who they voted for in an election. A lot of people get ticked and tell you it's nobody's business. Of people I know personally who react this way, most are very vocal about who they supported during the campaign, but very secretive about who got their votes. Makes no sense to me. If you rallied for Joe Bob for Mayor why wouldn't you come out of the polling booth and say "Heck yeah I voted for Joe Bob!!!!!!!" Hiding something?? Instead of getting irate a simple "no comment" or silence should do, even if the question is perceived as rude. Where is it written that a question must be answered?

I'm sure at least one "always regimental" is a lie by a skivvy wearer who feels shame, and at least one of each of the other possible answers are not accurate responses...kind of like weight or build on dating site applications. A few extra pounds means 5'2" and 250lbs????

Before anyone goes mapquesting Hay Springs, Nebraska to see how long they have to drive, fly, swim, paddle, hitch-hike or pogo-stick to kick my tookus let me say that:

A>I am not accusing anyone of hiding anything or being ashamed--I am saying that getting offended is silly and I don't understand what the big deal is. And just as I don't get peoples' explanations about why they find it rude to ask about voting I know I won't get explanations about this. It doesn't bother me to be asked anything, as I do not feel compelled to reply. If I feel it's not a question I want to answer I just move on. I also have no problem asking questions. If you're offended that is your right. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't be...not my place.

B>Regimental, bike shorts, boxers, briefs, Spiderman Underoos or a deftly tied neckerchief...does it really matter? No, but I think more than one or two of us would enjoy seeing honest and anonymous statistics that accurately represent what people do. I firmly believe that real stats are infinitely more useful(even on topics that don't matter) than a million people saying "everyone I know does___________."

C>I'm getting sick of typing so forget about "C"

Before I forget, sometimes I go regimental, oftentimes some boxer-briefs... all situation and mood dependent. Lots of kids around-drawers. Windy as heck(a lot of the time around these parts)-drawers. Flipping burgers in the yard-probably regimental depending on the density of mosquitoes. Watching a hockey game on TV-why wear anything? I would gage it around a 60/40 split-the sixty being "with undies."

Rant over. Soapbox stowed. Heading to the bombshelter to avoid the fallout.

Whidbey has left the building.

[Nighthawk]

Two things offend me, neither of which is small to me. 1. That the intimate details of my life are a reasonable subject of inquiry for those I am not intimate with. 2. That some believe that the details of what I wear under my kilt has some sort of effect on the validity of my kilt. (I admit the poll really didn't address this but it is a hot button with me.)

Geoff Withnell

Well, then, there's a simple solution- if you're offended by the poll or the thread, go read another! No one is making you read it or vote in it. Go to the threads that you enjoy, and stay out of the ones you don't!

There are few points on this forum that, when raised, show the residents here to be less than tolerant of their fellow man, quite obnoxious and unwelcoming to new members. I'm talking, at this point, about discussions on wearing white socks and what we wear under the kilt, if anything.

As someone entirely new to kilting, I see a definite value in this poll - it was put here to help educate those who have been told "EVERYONE goes regimental and if you're not then you're not wearing it properly" that there are people who wear a kilt every day and don't go regimental. It's just as valuable resource to me as Brice's price comparison thread was.

There is the option to vote and remain anonymous, or the option not to vote at all. If you take exception to the question being asked at all, then do the gentlemanly thing at just STAY OUT OF THE THREAD. Reading beyond the question and assuming that something has been implied about your kilt is just paranoia on your part..........There is no need to come in and attack the thread starter because of the nature of the question. This is a question all of us have been asked at one time or another by a complete stranger - if we can't talk to our peers within this group about it, then who can we discuss it with? Who can we ask to see if the claims of the non-kilters are correct? Reading beyond the question and assuming that something has been implied about your kilt is just paranoia on your part.

What he said! by the way!

[Jimmy]

yes, it is a very personal question and should not have been asked, whether someone is regimental, commando or whatever is up to them
nevertheless, I think anyone who wears anything under their kilt is a big girl's blouse

[Danwell]

yes, it is a very personal question and should not have been asked, whether someone is regimental, commando or whatever is up to them
nevertheless, I think anyone who wears anything under their kilt is a big girl's blouse

If you claim to think it's "very personal", how can you then declare that you think anyone wearing anything under it is a "big girl's blouse"? If you accept that it is a personal decision, what gives you the right to judge another's choice just because it's different to yours?

[herminator]

yes, it is a very personal question and should not have been asked, whether someone is regimental, commando or whatever is up to them
nevertheless, I think anyone who wears anything under their kilt is a big girl's blouse

Thank you very much sir, this is exactly the gentlemanly behaviour we like here on XMTS! NOT!!

Shalom
Hermann - big girls blouse, by the way

[Chas]

Maybe it is because I live on a different continent. Or maybe it is a generational thing, but I have difficulty in understanding the antagonism to the question.

I am 58. When I was growing up, I was taught that there were three areas of a persons life that were sacrosanct. You didn't talk about them or make enquiries, unless invited in. It was rude and impolite.

The first was a persons religious beliefs; the second was their political views; and the third was their sexual orientation.

EVERYTHING else was fair game and open to public scrutiny and questioning.

Why this simmering aggression?

Regards

Chas

[Jock Scot]

Oh come on chaps why make this a big deal? It is a kilt forum after all and to some it is a valid question.For the rest of us, well we don't have to answer, now do we?It is called, choice.

[CDNSushi]

I must admit... My knee-jerk reaction was to say "None o' yo' business!" and post up something indicating my indignant rage about the audacity of some people asking such a thing.

Thing is, had I done so, I'm pretty sure I would contract foot-in-mouth disease later on. For anyone who knows me, and anyone else who has read any of my posts over the past two years, they will already know the answer to my question, not even because they asked, but because I freely provided the information. It would be a bit hypocritical of me to then turn around and say "butt out" when I've already chosen to make that bit of knowledge public.

Upon further reflection, it dawned on me that sometimes we get so conditioned by our automatic replies that we don't stop to realize when we're picking the wrong fight with the wrong people.

What I think this question ultimately comes down to is a level of trust... I believe there are many levels of trust, and if I were to illustrate it graphically, it would look like our solar system... I would be in the center, with the closest "planet" orbiting around me representing the highest level of trust. That would be my wife. No one else comes even close to what I can (and do share) with her, and likewise she with me. The next planet's orbit would represent my best friend(s) whom I trust implicitly with many parts of me that others wouldn't or couldn't comprehend. A level beyond that would be my parents... They used to be on a closer orbit, but since I moved out of the house at 18 and started my own, independent life, the orbit has gotten farther out and been replaced by my wife. Beyond that are other friends, beyond that acquaintances, and beyond that, all the stars and planets are complete strangers to whom I owe no debts or require no obligations... Complete strangers.

So what level of trust is required to know what lies between my bits and my kilt? Now, maybe others won't agree, but my wife knows very well... As she should, IMO. Beyond that it's up to individual comfort levels. For me, my close and even more distant friends know. Complete strangers on the other hand? No. They have no right to know -- they have not earned a place of trust.

The same way, when we go to the doctor, we allow him to examine us rather than responding "none of your business." It wouldn't be appropriate... Just the same way as it wouldn't be appropriate for me to drop my drawers for someone on the street just to ask if "this looks infected to you"... There's a time and a place for everything, even (and perhaps especially) including personal questions, which as others have pointed out -- no one is being compelled to answer if they are uncomfortable doing so.

I can understand however, that it seems there is a never-ending fascination by the public-at-large about what we have hidden underneath... And it gets tiring after awhile. Get asked a few times and you want to say, "Quit it with the question already. Just accept me for who I am and stop thinking about my junk!"

But posing the same question among brethren is, in my opinion, a lot different than when a gawker, rubbernecker, or morbidly curious onlooker asks it. In the interest of educating and enlightening those who either OWN a kilt but may think they are unique (by wearing or not wearing anything underneath) or those who may own one in the future, I think it's a perfectly valid question to ask under these circumstances. No one wants to be called out and called names for being different, and I think it eases the fears and concerns of many to learn that there are both those who do and don't wear something under their kilt, to varying degrees.

Now as to the OP's choice of wording in the poll.... I had to read and re-read the options a few times to understand exactly what he was getting at, but I think I got it now. And since I've already shared it elsewhere on XMTS, be it known that I generally DO wear something underneath, and I have my good reasons for it. Anyone who really wants to know what they are is welcome to PM me and I will be glad to share them in private. ith: