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                                                5th November 10, 01:45 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	OK, Nighthawk, let's get it right...Barb is located in New York!  LOL
		
			
			
				Or a Tewksbury- is that not a kilt simply because it's made in New Mexico?
			
		 
 There are many great kilt makers the world over. Let's not say that a kilt can only come from Scotland.
 
 I agree with many here, there's room for cheapo stuff, and quality. It's that way with everything!
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 01:53 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					While I feel that a good quality garment is always worth it's cost you have to consider the intended use.  
 If I was just going to a wedding once a year or so I guess I would rent it for such occasions.  If I went to formal occasions several times a year I would save up and invest in quality kilt, which I did.  Nice 8 yard of 16 oz of wool from Scotland made by a Scottish trained kiltmaker.
 
 But it's not something I would wear constantly as an everyday thing no more than I would wear an Armani suit everyday instead of a Men's Warehouse one.  I also wouldn't compete in a Scottish games in a expensive kilt.
 
 I personally feel at there is a place for both types.
 
 Jim
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 01:53 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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			Post which has been reported by Cessna152Towser
		
			
				
					
	I think you mean CHINA for pasta, the Italians are all copy-cats.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by denmcdough   OK folks, you heard it hear, on XMTS...if you're not in Italy eating pizza or pasta, it's all fake!!! Imitation pasta. Yumm, but good imitation pasta. 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 01:54 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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 And have a good weekend everyone!
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 01:57 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Oh, yes, Artificer, you're absolutely correct!! I'm sorry!! Oh, and how about South America??...tomatoes came from there. Those darn Italians, copying from everyone!
		
			
			
				I think you mean CHINA for pasta, the Italians are all copy-cats.
			
		 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 02:04 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Don't forget the Irish and the potatos... Copycats- it's all stolen from Central America.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by denmcdough   Oh, yes, Artificer, you're absolutely correct!! I'm sorry!! Oh, and how about South America??...tomatoes came from there. Those darn Italians, copying from everyone! 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 02:08 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	While they did have the oldest recorded pasta but there are records all over the world of ground grain and water mixtures.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by artificer   I think you mean CHINA for pasta, the Italians are all copy-cats. 
 It's no more strictly Chinese than a garment made of a single piece of cloth wrapped around the body is Roman
  
 Jim
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 02:10 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					My problem with articles such as these is that, while one may agree with the sentiments behind them, all-too-often they go much to far to make their case.  The excerpt published here is a good case in point.
 The statement is made that a kilt should have three straps and buckles, that the third strap is good practice, and that it allows for adjustment in size.  Nonsense.  The third strap serves absolutely no practical function, is just there for appearance, and I know many very traditional kiltmakers who routinely leave it off -- and I know many traditional kilt wearers who routinely request their kilts be made with only two straps.
 
 Insisting that a true kilt, or real kilt, or authentic kilt or what have you must have three straps is a bit like insisting that it must have belt loops, or it must have a double fringe on the apron, because a single fringe just won't do, etc.
 
 So, while I certainly can agree with the sentiment behind articles such as this, practically speaking, I have to disagree on certain points.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 02:17 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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			entertaining the idea
		
			
				
					What if there was some sort of set of qualifiers added to the word "kilt" or perhaps different terminology?  Does anyone think that would satisfy Mr. Hawthorne?
 In the same way as not-all whisky is Scotch, maybe a Scottish/Scotch/Scots Kilt would need to fit some version of Hawthorne's exacting standard of excellence.  Anything else would be merely a kilt, with no additional designation.
 
 Or some sort of banner sewn into the tag of kilt like we see in Canada on music CDs?  The MAPL logo specifies the Canadian-ness of the origin of the music, artist, production, and lyrics by showing black with a white letter in each part of the pie if the song/CD qualifies.  If some aspect doesn't qualify, it would be white with a black letter:
 
  
 Or if a Hawthorne spec kilt was called by it's Gaelic name to differentiate it?
 - Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt- An t'arm breac dearg
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th November 10, 02:32 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	However, not even a majority of Scots would agree with Mr. Hawthorne's definition.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by CMcG Scottish/Scotch/Scots Kilt 
 Therefore I think they would have to define it as a "Hawthorne Kilt" and any thing else as "authentic".
   
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
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