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10th January 11, 10:32 AM
#11
I'm having a hard time imagining the ancient Irish wearing silk. That's my sticking point right there. However the Irish clans nowadays DO have their tribal colours, green is one... orange is one....
Last edited by Lallans; 10th January 11 at 11:45 AM.
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10th January 11, 11:42 AM
#12
Not a very good reference point.
There's always someone...
Gillmore of Clan Morrison
"Long Live the Long Shirts!"- Ryan Ross
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10th January 11, 11:44 AM
#13
I'm deleting a remark I made about the previous post that I thought referred to me, and possibly does but may not and instead refer to the article in question, but which anyway got my Scots-Irish up. I don't take it back, just in case, but I AM deleting it- just in case.
Last edited by Lallans; 10th January 11 at 02:57 PM.
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10th January 11, 12:52 PM
#14
The article is crapola, to use a technical term...!
Brian
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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10th January 11, 01:06 PM
#15
Originally Posted by Zardoz
That article pops up from time to time, It's facts are mostly made up.
I thought that this one seemed familiar...
I have always tempered my killing with respect for the game pursued. I see the animal not only as a target but as a living creature with more freedom than I will ever have. I take that life if I can, with regret as well as joy, and with the sure knowledge that nature's ways of fang and claw or exposure and starvation are a far crueler fate than I bestow. - Fred Bear
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10th January 11, 01:53 PM
#16
fact vs. opinion
"I'm having a hard time imagining the ancient Irish wearing silk. That's my sticking point right there."
Apologies up front, and no personal slight should be inferred, Canuck, as none is implied. A handy example of a prevalent failure of education on languaging.
This line of thought has been responsible for a lot of bad research and poor
scholarship over the years. Diligent pursuit of bias can find "qualified sources" to prove most viewpoints, which can then become "accepted fact". The silk road was bringing trade items to the Mediterranean basin over 2000 years ago, and from there into Europe. People have always been people, and where soldiers and sailors go, there will be children and trade goods left behind. The
average person could not afford such, but it was available, and would have been seen. So, while "the ancient Irish" as a whole didn't wear it, ancient Irish individuals could obtain it, and wear it. Travel was more widespread than we typically realize.
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10th January 11, 02:12 PM
#17
Originally Posted by tripleblessed
"I'm having a hard time imagining the ancient Irish wearing silk. That's my sticking point right there."
Apologies up front, and no personal slight should be inferred, Canuck, as none is implied. A handy example of a prevalent failure of education on languaging.
This line of thought has been responsible for a lot of bad research and poor
scholarship over the years. Diligent pursuit of bias can find "qualified sources" to prove most viewpoints, which can then become "accepted fact". The silk road was bringing trade items to the Mediterranean basin over 2000 years ago, and from there into Europe. People have always been people, and where soldiers and sailors go, there will be children and trade goods left behind. The
average person could not afford such, but it was available, and would have been seen. So, while "the ancient Irish" as a whole didn't wear it, ancient Irish individuals could obtain it, and wear it. Travel was more widespread than we typically realize.
Yes I'm sure silk was available but I'm afraid I was channeling that Uber-Celt known as Groundskeeper Willie, admittedly an imaginary character, who is always making remarks about "silk-wearing fancy boys" and so on. Mindful of the Ulster Cycles and such, I was thinking they were too manly a fighting bunch of men to wear silk robes in public- nor could I imagine the Chinese making them tribal colours to order. The phone lines were mostly down in those days.
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10th January 11, 02:19 PM
#18
The grass is greener on the other side of the fence...and it's usually greenest right above the septic tank.
Allen
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10th January 11, 02:21 PM
#19
The difficulty of customer service was probably the MAIN reason it was not worn by ALL.
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10th January 11, 02:21 PM
#20
That article is cyber-bunk, and salt in the wound of having let go of kilts and tartan after realizing I have Irish rather than Scottish ancestors. No sources? Then it's fake or plagiarism.
I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…
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