Derrick's The Image of Irelande (1581) & Irish Clothing

[slohairt]

Your very welcome!

Since I had a touch of some stomach "bug" the last couple days, it took me a wee bit longer to put together than planned...



You & me both, Scott! :mrgreen:

I would also love to see this "Dungiven paper" that Matt & Peter allude too (hint, hint)...



I've always felt that these trews/outfit belonged to an Ulster-Scot, someone from the emigrant Scots/Galloglass community....however this is just a feeling and nothing more. Like Scott (MoR), I think we'll never know for certain. And also, like Scott, I think it's fun to conjecture



Nice! Thanks for sharing that, 'X'!

I hope if anyone else has Tudor period illustrations of Irish /Galloglass dress, that they would consider adding them to this thread.

Great pictures, Terry!

It certainly is possible that they belonged to an Ulster Scot or a Gallowglass. It should be noted, Terry, that those terms aren't really that interchangeable. Ulster Scots (usually) refers to those who came with the Plantation and were mostly Protestant Lowlanders. The Gallowglass were (usually) Gaelic-speaking Catholics who assimilated to Irish culture with even greater ease than the Normans. There are many Irish with Gallowglass ancestry (myself included) that don't really identify as being an Ulster Scot.

[slohairt]

It's too bad Pearse and co. didn't give the Dungiven costume more thought than they did. It could have been 'updated' fairly easily: a modern military-style trews, a doublet of some kind, and a plaid. Maybe even a Kilmainham or pennanular brooch thrown in for panache!

[macwilkin]

It's too bad Pearse and co. didn't give the Dungiven costume more thought than they did. It could have been 'updated' fairly easily: a modern military-style trews, a doublet of some kind, and a plaid. Maybe even a Kilmainham or pennanular brooch thrown in for panache!

A variant of that idea was actually suggested at one point for the Free State's ceremonial guard:

"Originally, the artist Seán Keating headed up a committee to design a uniform in a suitably modern-but-Celtic style, as was the general artistic bent of the Irish state at the time. Keating’s design called for a saffron léine tunic with six rows of black braid, black cuffs, a blue brat cloak, pantaloons, and a black Balmoral bonnet with saffron feather."

-- http://www.andrewcusack.com/2010/04/...-blue-hussars/

http://www.military.ie/army/speciali...it/history.htm

Instead, the Army decided to go with a uniform patterned after the British 8th Hussars -- thus the Irish "Blue Hussars" were born.

T.

[BoldHighlander]

Great pictures, Terry!

It certainly is possible that they belonged to an Ulster Scot or a Gallowglass. It should be noted, Terry, that those terms aren't really that interchangeable. Ulster Scots (usually) refers to those who came with the Plantation and were mostly Protestant Lowlanders. The Gallowglass were (usually) Gaelic-speaking Catholics who assimilated to Irish culture with even greater ease than the Normans. There are many Irish with Gallowglass ancestry (myself included) that don't really identify as being an Ulster Scot.

Thanks John.

I didn't mean to imply that the Galloglass & the Ulster-Scots were one and the same. I actually meant to convey "belonging to either or". Sorry for the confusion.

[Downunder Kilt]

Thanks for the thread Terry. As always, you have given us something to think about, and in my case, enlighten me about something I knew nought about. Cheers mate

[BoldHighlander]

Thanks for the thread Terry. As always, you have given us something to think about, and in my case, enlighten me about something I knew nought about. Cheers mate

Thank you Mike, and everyone else for your kind words. I'm very happy to do it (& very pleased you all enjoy it).

I'm also enjoying the discussion that has followed thus far!

[slohairt]

Thanks John.

I didn't mean to imply that the Galloglass & the Ulster-Scots were one and the same. I actually meant to convey "belonging to either or". Sorry for the confusion.

No problem, brother!

By the way, in the third picture, do you think those two on the very far right are warming their bums by the fire or just mooning the bard?

[BoldHighlander]

No problem, brother!

By the way, in the third picture, do you think those two on the very far right are warming their bums by the fire or just mooning the bard?

Oh my, I just can't stop laughing! :mrgreen:
Thanks, I needed that!

[Lallans]

Great series of photos Terry- you are to be commended. I do think the tartans found in Irish bogs, and from several of which are derived the 'Ulster' series of modern tartans as well as those from several other Republican counties, belonged to transplanted Scots. Mind you, I wasn't there at the time, that I can remember anyway .

What I also find interesting is the depiction of the barefoot manner of Irish dress. I remember from the PBS series 'the Story of English' that some Anglo-Irish noble families, and/or Irish families that adopted British titles, were showing off in the barefoot style as seen in their oil portraits. When this series first aired there was some unintentially funny muttering in the background of those with me (ancient family members they were) to the effect that the Irish always did corrupt everyone who set foot on the island... except of course for the Ulster Scots... but I was smiling and thinking that with any number of Irish names in the gene pool they were kidding themselves.

Always hated shoes myself.