We are all kilted sinners! Oh no!! :-)

[Nighthawk]

I may be outting myself, and I never wish to offend others, but. There is no evidence of a supernatural being that controls all. Therefore, any written word that calls on this being to pass judgements on others, must be looked on as the writers opinion. I have evidence that my kilts are real. Just sayin..

And that is the biggest problem I have with people like him proclaiming "truth." Truth is that my coffee table is make of cherry wood. Faith is that there is a god at all. I am a person of deep faith. Never- ever- will I try to force my way of thinking on anyone!! Yes, I believe in the old gods. But I also believe in the God of Moses. Why? Because they are one and the same!! We give God different names and recognize different aspects, but in the end... there is only one God. There are just multiple ways of understanding Him. And you know what? The good people of this forum have made it clear throughout this entire thread that we all realize and respect this! It's just one of the many things about us that soundly proves that man dead wrong about kilties lacking in refinement. We here on this board, as evidenced in this thread, are more enlightened and tolerant and accepting than any other group of people I have had the pleasure of associating with. Makes me proud to be part of it. Here's to my next 4000 posts with you lot!!

[BoldHighlander]

And you know what? The good people of this forum have made it clear throughout this entire thread that we all realize and respect this! It's just one of the many things about us that soundly proves that man dead wrong about kilties lacking in refinement. We here on this board, as evidenced in this thread, are more enlightened and tolerant and accepting than any other group of people I have had the pleasure of associating with. Makes me proud to be part of it. Here's to my next 4000 posts with you lot!!

Hear! Hear!

[Jimmy]

And that is the biggest problem I have with people like him proclaiming "truth." Truth is that my coffee table is make of cherry wood. Faith is that there is a god at all. I am a person of deep faith. Never- ever- will I try to force my way of thinking on anyone!! Yes, I believe in the old gods. But I also believe in the God of Moses. Why? Because they are one and the same!! We give God different names and recognize different aspects, but in the end... there is only one God. There are just multiple ways of understanding Him. And you know what? The good people of this forum have made it clear throughout this entire thread that we all realize and respect this! It's just one of the many things about us that soundly proves that man dead wrong about kilties lacking in refinement. We here on this board, as evidenced in this thread, are more enlightened and tolerant and accepting than any other group of people I have had the pleasure of associating with. Makes me proud to be part of it. Here's to my next 4000 posts with you lot!!

How do you know that there is only 1 God?

[GreenDragon]

Their whole website is filled with hate.

[biblemonkey]

How do you know that there is only 1 God?

Unfortunately I think this may be the wrong forum for that particular question. A PM or an email to one of us who believes that may be more in line with the rules of the site. Not that I don't welcome discussion. I just don't want arguments to spring up publicly like they have in the past with political statements from other posts.

All the best,
Hugh

[McClef]

This thread is in danger of getting into religious discussions and arguments.

Please keep to the context which is still kilts and one particular person's views about them.

[Zardoz]

I may be outting myself, and I never wish to offend others, but. There is no evidence of a supernatural being that controls all. Therefore, any written word that calls on this being to pass judgments on others, must be looked on as the writers opinion. I have evidence that my kilts are real. Just sayin..

We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

Uh-oh....this could lead to the slippery slope....just sayin'.

This thread is in danger of getting into religious discussions and arguments.

Please keep to the context which is still kilts and one particular person's views about them.

The trouble is, this particular person's rather extreme views about kilts, and a ton of other stuff, are motivated by his extreme fundamentalist religious views. Views inspired by his interpretation of the King James Bible. Taking any viewpoint to extremes can have varying results, the same books that inspire a lifetime of service to others to some, can inspire someone else to blow something up. In this Stewart guy's case, his version inspires an annoying website.

I'm not trying pick on anyone, or promote anything, but this thread has motored along for 10 pages with many posters quoting the KJ bible or other holy works, and/or expressing their personal religious viewpoints. And like it or not, these discussions are still a taciturn promotion of those views. People talking about their faiths doesn't bother me at all, but I find it a little ironic that the concerns about "slippery slopes" and violating rule #5 only pop up after somebody talks about their lack of faith, and makes statements that relate to atheism. And believe me, there are posts by "non believers" on the first page, it's just that they generally don't "promote" their lack of belief.

[biblemonkey]

I'm not trying pick on anyone, or promote anything, but this thread has motored along for 10 pages with many posters quoting the KJ bible or other holy works, and/or expressing their personal religious viewpoints. And like it or not, these discussions are still a taciturn promotion of those views. People talking about their faiths doesn't bother me at all, but I find it a little ironic that the concerns about "slippery slopes" and violating rule #5 only pop up after somebody talks about their lack of faith, and makes statements that relate to atheism. And believe me, there are posts by "non believers" on the first page, it's just that they generally don't "promote" their lack of belief.

Personally, my response of slippery slopes came after a direct question to another memeber that related to monotheism vs polytheism, a topic that could lead to wide spread discussion turned ugly as some political posts have. That would not be MY intention for that subject matter and probably wasn't the intention of the gent asking the question but those types of things do indeed inflame somtimes. I think that most of the talk quoting the Bible was merely being used to show how far off base this guy (the anti-kilt website guy) was even concerning his own reference material, i.e. the Bible. People here have seemed to feel free to express thier religious views, regardless of what they are, without fear of reprisal (as it should be) but directly confrontational questions or statements should be relegated to PMs or emails so as not to "stir the mob" as it were. Those PMs should be in the spirit of respectful inquiry so that there are no enemies made among the kilted bretheren but respectful dialog can be had on almost ANY topic. As it has been said, a PUBLIC forum where any and all can chime in, may not be the best place for a direct debate on the existence of God. This thread is about the nut who created that website and most of the posts have been in that spirit and the others have come around sure enough.

Well wishes,
Hugh

[Mike_Oettle]

Zardoz, the red flag was not that the poster expressed a lack of belief in the Divine. It was his flat-out statement: “There is no evidence of a supernatural being that controls all.”

He is welcome to believe that. But this is not the place to promote that view, nor is it my place to insist that the contrary is true.
Let’s not have a debate on the merits of Richard Dawkins’s opinions. I have had such discussions elsewhere, but the topic is inappropriate on X Marks.
Regards,
Mike

[Zardoz]

Zardoz, the red flag was not that the poster expressed a lack of belief in the Divine. It was his flat-out statement: “There is no evidence of a supernatural being that controls all.”

He is welcome to believe that. But this is not the place to promote that view, nor is it my place to insist that the contrary is true.
Let’s not have a debate on the merits of Richard Dawkins’s opinions. I have had such discussions elsewhere, but the topic is inappropriate on X Marks.
Regards,
Mike

Mike, I don't see that post as the "promotion" of a 'lack of belief', anymore than that many of the other posts here could be seen as a promotion of beliefs.
Lots of folks are basically saying 'my belief tells me this' , all that fellow was saying was 'I don't believe it, and that tells me this'.

Y'all are sort of helping me with my point;
statements of belief OK,
statements of non-belief, or even alternate beliefs problematic.

But we can agree on the idea that their discussion is inappropriate on X Marks.