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31st March 11, 03:09 AM
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No mention of the mound upon which the supporters stand?
Schiehallion kilted and true
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31st March 11, 06:07 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by Schiehallion
No mention of the mound upon which the supporters stand?
The compartment, as it is known, is not considered part of the armorial bearings unless it is specified in the letters patent in which the supporters are granted - which doesn't happen very often. It is usually just an artistic embellishment simply for the purpose of giving a place for the supporters to stand.
Kenneth Mansfield
NON OBLIVISCAR
My tartan quilt: Austin, Campbell, Hamilton, MacBean, MacFarlane, MacLean, MacRae, Robertson, Sinclair (and counting)
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31st March 11, 06:53 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer
The compartment, as it is known, is not considered part of the armorial bearings unless it is specified in the letters patent in which the supporters are granted - which doesn't happen very often. It is usually just an artistic embellishment simply for the purpose of giving a place for the supporters to stand.
Since the secondary motto of MacMillan of Knap is "As long as the wave beats on the rock," I've always wanted someone to do a compartment with waves and rocks.
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31st March 11, 07:40 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by Joseph McMillan
Since the secondary motto of MacMillan of Knap is "As long as the wave beats on the rock," I've always wanted someone to do a compartment with waves and rocks.
I seem to recall seeing something similar to what you propose (in one of the old "clan tartan" books?) with the supporters standing upon the rocks.
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31st March 11, 07:34 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer
The compartment, as it is known, is not considered part of the armorial bearings unless it is specified in the letters patent in which the supporters are granted - which doesn't happen very often. It is usually just an artistic embellishment simply for the purpose of giving a place for the supporters to stand.
The compartment and second motto are part of the full achievement of Macmillan of Macmillan and Knap; but, as stated above, the explanation was becoming over complicated without the illustration so the blazon was omitted.
For those interested the blazon would continue "on a mound (this is the bit bit the lions stand on and in Scottish heraldry represent the ancient clan lands), strewn with holly (holly being the clan plant badge and in this instance representative of the clan folk) leafed and fruited proper this means painted with green leaves and red berries, just as in nature) beneath which on an escroll is the motto Fhad's A Bhuaileas Tonn Ri Crag (a reference to large stones set near the sea which marked the territorial boundaries of the the clan lands; enscribed on the stones in Gaelic was the legend: "Macmillan's right to these lands shall be as long as this stone withstands the sea"; upon deposing the Macmillans, Campbell of Kilberry had the stones deface and pushed into the sea).
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31st March 11, 07:06 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by Schiehallion
No mention of the mound upon which the supporters stand?
Because I couldn't post the photo (posted the photo of the dirk I'm selling, but can't seem to to get this photo to post) I decided to omit the reference to the compartment (the mound that you refer to) to prevent over complicating my post.
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