"Jacobite" garb

[Nighthawk]

Yep unless you can make it all yourself which fortunately I can.

I am still wondering though if there are serious problems with the pattern I used for the jacket. I have made period clothing for reenactors and for films and am fully aware of the hassles in getting something "correct"

That's one of the reasons I got into leather working... I may get in touch with you in the near future for one of those jackets.

[macwilkin]

I love the irony in the statement about the expense and length of time needed to be historically accurate...time and money so you can look like some fella who had maybe one fiftieth of the personal posessions that you have and who probably had ten minutes to get his $#!+ together, kiss his wife and go off to the '45.

Best

AA

Well, that fella in 1745 wore certain things and carried certains. If he was a front-rank clan "gentleman" he owned the full panoply of highland weapons and wore all the fancy tartan clothes. Going down the economic scale would indeed exhibit less "stuff" in terms of arms and clothes, but still stuff unique to the period.

None of that stuff, from whatever level you're trying to portray, is mass produced or cheaply available in today's market. Reenactors are a tiny niche market! So, yeah - getting a proper period kit together can run into some serious bucks....

Well said, Brian. Not only serious bucks, but also serious time spent researching kit, uniforms, weapons, etc. to ensure that you are as accurate as possible. For those of us who made a living as living historians, it was our credibility on the line, and not just about the expense, as you well know, given your excellent impressions.
T.

[Hothir Ethelnor]

Do you have a clearer or close-up pic of your jacket? The contrasting cuffs are great, but it's difficult to see the actual cut of the coat in the posted photo...

I'll have to take some when I get a chance.

The cuffs are modified from the pattern which was originally something much like this.

http://www.reconstructinghistory.com...s-frock-coat-1

I obtained use of the pattern while working on a French and Indian war film where I made a number of these. Our copy was a used pattern paper version loaned by a reenactor's supplier so they may have copied it themselves off of jackets that they had in the shop, but it was regarded by the historians as a good pattern.

I made the flare below the waist a bit less pronounced and left off the optional collar.

It's a pretty basic pattern with side seams, a center back seam and single piece sleeves. I shortened it a number of inches as it was quite long to begin with and did alterations to make it fit down to my size. If that has totally murdered the historical sense of it, my apologies. I did not drastically alter the shape or number of pieces used so the "cut" should be close to how it was intended and within reasonable variation.

The black cuffs and front facing were entirely my idea based on a painting of a highlander with solid cuffs on his tartan coat. I cut it on the bias because I like things that way if it's a historical foible I'd like to know. I didn't go to much expense in making it, so if I should in the future I'd like to get it "right"

[Woodsheal]

I'll have to take some when I get a chance.

The cuffs are modified from the pattern which was originally something much like this.

http://www.reconstructinghistory.com...s-frock-coat-1

I obtained use of the pattern while working on a French and Indian war film where I made a number of these. Our copy was a used pattern paper version loaned by a reenactor's supplier so they may have copied it themselves off of jackets that they had in the shop, but it was regarded by the historians as a good pattern.

I made the flare below the waist a bit less pronounced and left off the optional collar.

It's a pretty basic pattern with side seams, a center back seam and single piece sleeves. I shortened it a number of inches as it was quite long to begin with and did alterations to make it fit down to my size. If that has totally murdered the historical sense of it, my apologies. I did not drastically alter the shape or number of pieces used so the "cut" should be close to how it was intended and within reasonable variation.

The black cuffs and front facing were entirely my idea based on a painting of a highlander with solid cuffs on his tartan coat. I cut it on the bias because I like things that way if it's a historical foible I'd like to know. I didn't go to much expense in making it, so if I should in the future I'd like to get it "right"

That's not a bad pattern, though a bit late for the '45: the cuffs are smaller and the front curves back (such coats being meant to be worn open). The 1730s-40s coat pattern from the same source is ideal.

Your contrasting solid-colored cuffs are fine, though in the photo they appear to come up to a point like modern "gauntlet cuffs." Your idea for a facing is on the wrong track, however. Facings were seen on military coats with turn-backs on the front (i.e. double-breasted), not civilian coats of that period.

Basically, a shortened tartan version of this coat would be ideal:


The collars and "slash" style cuffs are correct as well, becoming popular on highland jackets during the 1740s:

[Hothir Ethelnor]

That's helpful, yes pointing the cuffs and adding the facing was my idea (where I went off track.)

The cuffs are split in the back (which you can't see) but they do come to a point, or two.

[The Bear]

Hope this helps you out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CglGKvutjjo

Most of the time i wear my great kilt down as the pennanular brooch i have keeps slipping out. I have yet to get something better like a pin etc. Its also better if your playing about with swords. I find you can move better with it down.

[Nighthawk]

Hope this helps you out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CglGKvutjjo

Most of the time i wear my great kilt down as the pennanular brooch i have keeps slipping out. I have yet to get something better like a pin etc. Its also better if your playing about with swords. I find you can move better with it down.

Thanks for that link! I didn't know about the belt of office.

[figheadair]

Well, that fella in 1745 wore certain things and carried certains. If he was a front-rank clan "gentleman" he owned the full panoply of highland weapons and wore all the fancy tartan clothes. Going down the economic scale would indeed exhibit less "stuff" in terms of arms and clothes, but still stuff unique to the period.

Brian makes a good point. As a reminder, post 35 here gives a list of a gentleman's possessions in 1737 - http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...65/index4.html

Note the use of trews and boots indicating horse riding was a common practice by this particular gentleman.

[The Bear]

Anyone know a good place to get a sporran or belt bag for a 45 outfit? apart from fox blade as im already waiting on a reply from them.
Cheers.

[Captain_Cogle]

Anyone know a good place to get a sporran or belt bag for a 45 outfit? apart from fox blade as im already waiting on a reply from them.
Cheers.

www.thequartermastergeneral.com

www.tattershallarms.org