"Jacobite" garb

[The Bear]

It must have been earlier in this thread that we discussed 'bodkins' for pinning up one's plaid (I'm too lazy to look!).

Anyways, here are some nice bone and horn examples like the one I use:

http://www.96storehouse.com/OurStore...1/Default.aspx

Woodsheal. How would you use this to hold the plaid on the shoulder? it might sound like a stupid question bu i want to be sure how to do it before i get one. I got a pennanular brooch but its really hard to keep it in place wi that. Keeps slipping out of my jacket.

[Dale Seago]

I'll let Woodsheal address that one, just want to point out that -- though I love 'em -- the penannular style went out of use several hundred years before the Gael began using the belted plaid.

[The Bear]

I'll let Woodsheal address that one, just want to point out that -- though I love 'em -- the penannular style went out of use several hundred years before the Gael began using the belted plaid.

I have heard that people in the highlands were not wearing them during the 45 but im not sure its correct. Dr tony pollard the Director of the Centre for Battlefield Archaeology at Glasgow University and archaeologist for Culloden has found some in and around the field. Now it could be that they were droped in the area years before but he's dated them to the 1600s. People could have handed them down through the family up untill the 1700s. So it could be that they were still in use. Im sure they were not as popular and wouldnt have been all celtic but i think some would still be using brooches.

[Nighthawk]

I have heard that people in the highlands were not wearing them during the 45 but im not sure its correct. Dr tony pollard the Director of the Centre for Battlefield Archaeology at Glasgow University and archaeologist for Culloden has found some in and around the field. Now it could be that they were droped in the area years before but he's dated them to the 1600s. People could have handed them down through the family up untill the 1700s. So it could be that they were still in use. Im sure they were not as popular and wouldnt have been all celtic but i think some would still be using brooches.

As simple as they are to make and use, I can't imagine they were not in use. Cheap, simple, utilitarian... and found on period battle fields! I'll keep using mine.

[Woodsheal]

As simple as they are to make and use, I can't imagine they were not in use. Cheap, simple, utilitarian... and found on period battle fields! I'll keep using mine.

If I recall correctly, the articles about recent battlefield finds at Culloden pictured an annular (complete circle) brooch, NOT a penannular ("almost a circle") type. Will have to search for the articles again....

[Nighthawk]

If I recall correctly, the articles about recent battlefield finds at Culloden pictured an annular (complete circle) brooch, NOT a penannular ("almost a circle") type. Will have to search for the articles again....

Any luck finding those articles? I had almost forgotten about this, but got into an arguement on the Renaissance Festival board, and am using this thread for reference material.

[Woodsheal]

Any luck finding those articles? I had almost forgotten about this, but got into an arguement on the Renaissance Festival board, and am using this thread for reference material.

Hawk,
I did go back and read whatever I could find online (search for "Tom Pollard, Culloden battlefield" and you'll find 'em. Stupidly, I didn't save the links!).

Anyways, I didn't see brooches mentioned as a battlefield find in any of that. But, Pollard has a recent book out on his Culloden researches, and maybe brooches are mentioned therein....

[Woodsheal]

Woodsheal. How would you use this to hold the plaid on the shoulder? it might sound like a stupid question bu i want to be sure how to do it before i get one. I got a pennanular brooch but its really hard to keep it in place wi that. Keeps slipping out of my jacket.

Here's a pic of my plaid pinned to the shoulder with a bone bodkin:



It will hold it quite securely. If you're worried about holes in your coat, use a thinner pin. Granny's old brass- or silver-headed hat pins work great, too! You can always find antique hatpins on ebay, or locally....

[Cynthia]

Thanks for the replies, Woodsheal! I had spotted a plain, shorter hatpin a while back and wondered if it would work. I like that idea, and will keep my eye out for a few when the time comes (I need to get some hatpins soon, myself).