"Jacobite" garb

**Nighthawk** · 13th May 11, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear

I have heard that people in the highlands were not wearing them during the 45 but im not sure its correct. Dr tony pollard the Director of the Centre for Battlefield Archaeology at Glasgow University and archaeologist for Culloden has found some in and around the field. Now it could be that they were droped in the area years before but he's dated them to the 1600s. People could have handed them down through the family up untill the 1700s. So it could be that they were still in use. Im sure they were not as popular and wouldnt have been all celtic but i think some would still be using brooches.

As simple as they are to make and use, I can't imagine they were not in use. Cheap, simple, utilitarian... and found on period battle fields! I'll keep using mine.

**Woodsheal** · 13th May 11, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

As simple as they are to make and use, I can't imagine they were not in use. Cheap, simple, utilitarian... and found on period battle fields! I'll keep using mine.

If I recall correctly, the articles about recent battlefield finds at Culloden pictured an annular (complete circle) brooch, NOT a penannular ("almost a circle") type. Will have to search for the articles again....

**Nighthawk** · 26th June 11, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Woodsheal

If I recall correctly, the articles about recent battlefield finds at Culloden pictured an annular (complete circle) brooch, NOT a penannular ("almost a circle") type. Will have to search for the articles again....

Any luck finding those articles? I had almost forgotten about this, but got into an arguement on the Renaissance Festival board, and am using this thread for reference material.

**Woodsheal** · 26th June 11, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

Any luck finding those articles? I had almost forgotten about this, but got into an arguement on the Renaissance Festival board, and am using this thread for reference material.

Hawk,
I did go back and read whatever I could find online (search for "Tom Pollard, Culloden battlefield" and you'll find 'em. Stupidly, I didn't save the links!).

Anyways, I didn't see brooches mentioned as a battlefield find in any of that. But, Pollard has a recent book out on his Culloden researches, and maybe brooches are mentioned therein....

**Nighthawk** · 28th June 11, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Woodsheal

Hawk,
I did go back and read whatever I could find online (search for "Tom Pollard, Culloden battlefield" and you'll find 'em. Stupidly, I didn't save the links!).

Anyways, I didn't see brooches mentioned as a battlefield find in any of that. But, Pollard has a recent book out on his Culloden researches, and maybe brooches are mentioned therein....

Alright then! Thank you!

**Matt Richards** · 18th August 11, 07:49 AM

Here are the cadadh I sewed up. Not hard at all to make, although the contortion needed to pin cloth up the back of the legs was a real workout. I made these in the style Woodsheal suggested -- footless. I then added some elastic across the instep and back of the heel to keep them nice and tight. With the cadadh I am wearing my new Townsend shoes (love them!) that I received yesterday.

**Woodsheal** · 18th August 11, 03:28 PM

Well done, Matt!

**The Bear** · 31st August 11, 08:15 AM

Im getting a new kilt made at some point this year but im not sure what tartan to get. I have a brown woolen 18th century style waist coat im wearing with it (its a bit rugged) also a blue bonnet etc. Its pretty much a jacobite outfit but with a kilt instead of the great kilt. Im wanting to get a tartan that looks olde worlde so im looking at the weathered hunting tartans. They seem to have alot of earthy coulours in them that would tie in with the waistcoat. I cant make up my mind tho. At one point i was thinking about getting the tartan from the Rob Roy film but when i seen a sample of it i didnt like it. Its seems brighter than that shown in the film. I have also look through the district tartans etc but no joy. I have a great kilt (weathered grant) but i dont want to wear it at my wedding. Any ideas? and yes i know jacobites didnt wear kilts....

Also i need to no how to make cahdadh

cheers

**Matt Richards** · 31st August 11, 02:30 PM

Actually, Jacobites did wear the kilt during the 1745 rebellion. Of course, it wasn't the modern kilt we know today with pressed pleats, lining, etc., but it was a philabeg with hand pleats -- basically a single-width piece of tartan rather than the two-single-widths-sewn-together-to-make-double-width-style of the so-called great kilt.

I had luck with finding a nice 100% worsted wool at our local fabric store (the regionally well-known Mary Jo's). It's muted browns with a little blue with a red and yellow-brown stripe -- big sett too, perfect for that middle-class Jacobite look.

This one is only 80% wool, but I like the look --
http://www.trimfabric.com/wl-263.html

**Woodsheal** · 31st August 11, 03:13 PM

That fabric's a nice find, Matt. Here's another cheap tartan in 100% wool:

http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/ca...spx?ItmID=2995

I bought some of the latter, and it's quite nice (don't know what shipping would be to Inverness, though!

)....

The "little kilt" was indeed quite prevalent by the time of the '45, but how they were configured is unknown. Drawstring? Hand pleated each time (doubtful)? Pleats tacked in place at the top? We just don't know, as no philabegs from that early have survived....