Morning Dress Equivalent II

[JSFMACLJR]

The Livingston wedding probably wasn't morning suit, but rather lounge suit level of formality. The fellow on the right was probably an army officer judging by his tie.
Aren't they lowlanders anyway?;-)

In the Argyll shot, a guest in the background is clearly wearing a morning coat, therefore his day jacket and waistcoat in dark blue worsted suiting (like my gray borrowed form the POW) with formal sporran would seem to be the highland convention for that level of formality. I don't have "So you're Going to Wear the Kilt" handy, but I believe Thompson details much the same for daytime formal and /or adapting the black argyle jacket w/o silver buttons, hitting much the same note.

The Marquess of Lorne (as he was when he was married ) wore a doublet of tweed to his wedding, not worsted. There is no need for the Duke of Argyll or any of his family, to consult that cheap and most-times wrong , wee book by Thompson.

[be da veva]

OMG

Kilt Police???? Here on XMTS???

[Jock Scot]

Sigh, sigh and thrice sigh.

These pictures prove everything and nothing, other than these particular grooms have decided to wear what they decided to wear. No doubt some one will come up with that wedding picture of the late Lord Lovat and his best man wearing, if I recall correctly, a montrose and jabot,dirk et al. What the two families concerned with the wedding decide to wear for the wedding is their choice entirely and it is up to the guest to take their lead and otherwise, if there is no guidance on the invitation, use their initiative in conjunction with,quite often, discreet enquiries.

Tweed is commonly worn by all, of all social groups, for a Scots wedding , but not always. I know several of my friends wear a morning suit to all weddings as guests regardless of what every one else is wearing. Likewise I have some friends who wear tweed kilt attire to all weddings(in Scotland), which is very traditional. Why? Apparently they are doing justice to the occasion and are complementing the bride and groom. But two things are for sure, they are very welcome nonetheless and secondly they would not attend a day time wedding in evening wear! In truth I cannot fault their sentiments(also I doubt that they are aware that informal weddings exist!), although personally I prefer, as do most of us, a tad more latitude with our attire----------within reason--------- and that comes from a lot of experience and not from any book.

[Cygnus]

I find myself in the "wear what you've got" camp; for no other reason than the fact that the only kilt jacket I own is tweed, so that's what I'd have to wear on any given occasion. I hope to expand my wardrobe in the future, but that is what I have now. I think many other folks find themselves in the same boat, which would partly explain the variety in morning dress that is being discussed here.

My personal opinion is that a black barathea argyll jacket (with or without silver buttons) is the most "correct" formal morning jacket; though, as I stated above, I wouldn't blame or judge somebody in a tweed jacket at a formal morning event.

And straying a bit from the topic at hand... What sort of headwear would one wear with a tartan trews and a morning coat?

[Jock Scot]

I find myself in the "wear what you've got" camp; for no other reason than the fact that the only kilt jacket I own is tweed, so that's what I'd have to wear on any given occasion. I hope to expand my wardrobe in the future, but that is what I have now. I think many other folks find themselves in the same boat, which would partly explain the variety in morning dress that is being discussed here.

My personal opinion is that a black barathea argyll jacket (with or without silver buttons) is the most "correct" formal morning jacket; though, as I stated above, I wouldn't blame or judge somebody in a tweed jacket at a formal morning event.

And straying a bit from the topic at hand... What sort of headwear would one wear with a tartan trews and a morning coat?

Tartan trews and a morning coat???At the same time??? Wow! That's a new one!!!!!!

[Zardoz]

OK, I've got my cranky hat on this morning, but...
Having reviewed all of Smacw's posts to this forum, I find almost all of them offer critique or advice on Highlandwear, often with descriptions, but no photos, of his jackets, hose, wedding attire, etc...

Now everyone is entitled to their opinon, and indeed the right to share it on our forum, but If you are gonna tell me about your sartorial splendor, I want to see it! Let me quote the forum's owner, The Wizard of BC, from another thread; http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...47/index5.html

"This forum is all about photos. We have a saying, "No pics, it didn't happen." Well, guess what. I have a personal style. It is not the right style, it's not a wrong style. But it is my style.
How can I possibly offer my belief in my style without pictures of myself? How can someone state "this is how we do it" and not back that up with pics of themselves doing it that way? And it is even worse if they post a pic of someone else then state "That is the way we do it." Sorry, that reasoning just doesn't hold water."

So Smacw, it's time to put up or shut up, otherwise I call troll.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

But if going with the kilt, stay away from all forms of modified evening dress [excellent suggestion--MoR], and stick closer to J. "Scotty" Thompson [bad advice--MoR] than the MacKinnon book offered in the old thread. Honestly, tartan hose,dirks and silver buttons everywhere and throw in a sliver FIH, borders on, if not crosses in to, parody.

...uh, I'm not sure which book by MacKinnon you read, but here is what he has to say on the subject:

"MORNING DRESS This corresponds to the Lowland morning dress, and should be worn on similar occasions. The dress or clan tartan should be worn, with full tartan hose, dress brogues, silk flashes, black, sliver mounted sgian dubh, silver mounted sporran of hair, fur or leather, silver sporran chain, Celtic kilt pin, and black jacket and vest with silver buttons, which may either be plain or with Highland cuffs and flaps. With this is worn a white shirt and collar, and a grey silk tie. This form of dress is already in vogue, but usually with plain buttons, an unnecessary touch of drabness which an old Highlander making a formal call would not have exhibited."

In the fifty plus years since this was written only two minor changes have occurred-- most gentlemen, for morning attire, now wear oxfords rather than dress brogues, and some gentlemen now wear dark, rather than tartan, or argyle, hose. And that's it.

Thompson's book (as Sandy has pointed out) is not the most reliable guide to Highland attire. MacKinnon's book, on the other hand, really can not be faulted.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

... And straying a bit from the topic at hand... What sort of headwear would one wear with a tartan trews and a morning coat?

A dunce cap.

[Cygnus]

A dunce cap.

I thought as much - though the image linked in the first post had me wondering if it was, in fact, something that was done.

Here is the image for those that missed the link:

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And straying a bit from the topic at hand... What sort of headwear would one wear with a tartan trews and a morning coat?[/QUOTE]

A dunce cap.

FTW!

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