Post Your Granted, Assumed or Desired Arms

[KiltedSergeant]

Happy Birthday! My birthday is also June 11 (assuming that's what you meant.) I'll have a wee dram in our honor tomorrow! See my Coat-of-Arms in post #28.

[FatherWilliam57]

And a Festive and Joyous Natal Anniversary to you as well. I shall extend your greetings to my twin sister (mainly because it will confuse the daylights out of her! I may have to grow older, but I certainly do not have to grow up.). Enjoy!

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Lord Lyon would not grant a crest to my late father, an Episcopalian priest, who had served in the Queen's Own Rifles, but rather granted a crest for his lay heirs. The crest was depicted on the Extract of Matriculation, but above his shield was placed the correct ecclesiastical hat.

How odd is that? Had your father inherited arms there would have been no question about his having a crest as an ordained priest. While I can understand that a petitioner may be granted certain heraldic additiments for his lifetime only (such as supporters for knights grand cross), I have never heard of a petitioner being granted any transmissible heraldic additiment that he was denied the use of during his lifetime.

Lyon is, of course, a law unto himself...

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

That's very interesting, Sandy. I was under the impression that clergymen could be granted crests, but that they generally chose to display the corded and tasseled ecclesiastical hat instead.

That is good information to know!

Clergy can be, and are, regularly granted crests, as well as various sorts of heraldic hats-- I am aware of crests granted to (1) a Catholic Bishop; (2) a Methodist Bishop; (3) a Rabbi; (4) several Protestant clergymen.

Hats usually follow the traditional system of colour and tassels to denote rank within the church. Anglican clergy, to distinguish themselves from the Roman clergy, will often place either a Canterbury cross, or a red and white heraldic rose, on the front of the hat although this practice is by no means universal. Recently a Methodist Bishop had placed above his arms a representation of the three-cornered hat worn by John Wesley.

Rabbis may wear hats, but they do not figure into any grants that I am aware of. That said, the symbolism used in devising their arms often alludes to their faith. One rabbi that I know has as his crest a representation of the City of Jerusalem taken from a 12th century map, while his arms stylistically represent a menorah.

[FatherWilliam57]

Lord Lyon would not grant a crest to my late father, an Episcopalian priest, who had served in the Queen's Own Rifles, but rather granted a crest for his lay heirs. The crest was depicted on the Extract of Matriculation, but above his shield was placed the correct ecclesiastical hat.

Do you happen to have a copy of the actual grant? Does it specifically withthold a crest from your father? Or is it merely saying (or assumed) that he is entitled to both and that it is the galero that is being withheld from his descendents (by implication)? Read the document carefully. This could simply be a misunderstanding between something that is "permissive" and something that is "proscribed." He should be entitled to both; you are only entitled to his crest (unless you also happen to be an Episcopal priest).

Thank you, MoR, for clearing the cobwebs out of my mind on this with your post above.

[Cygnus]

I'm glad to see the renewed activity in this thread and, in the time it has lain dormant, I've reviewed the arms that I had posted originally and made some significant modifications.



These arms a bit busier, but I am far happier with them than any of the others that I posted before.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I'm glad to see the renewed activity in this thread and, in the time it has lain dormant, I've reviewed the arms that I had posted originally and made some significant modifications.



These arms a bit busier, but I am far happier with them than any of the others that I posted before.

What you might want to do is reduce the shield to the size of a postage stamp and see how it reads...

I used to advise folks that heraldry was like jewelry. It wasn't about how much you put on, but rather how much you could leave off and still achieve the desired effect.

If you can live without the lion, something you might want to consider is that the lymphad would better fill the space under the chevron; that being the case a third fleur-de-lys could be added to the chevron.

Just a thought....

[Cygnus]

What you might want to do is reduce the shield to the size of a postage stamp and see how it reads...

I used to advise folks that heraldry was like jewelry. It wasn't about how much you put on, but rather how much you could leave off and still achieve the desired effect.

If you can live without the lion, something you might want to consider is that the lymphad would better fill the space under the chevron; that being the case a third fleur-de-lys could be added to the chevron.

Just a thought....

I am quite fond of the lion, but not wedded to the idea by any means; and I see that the galley is a bit small...

I like this one as well, though MoR's feedback has got me thinking of a couple other things to try.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I am quite fond of the lion, but not wedded to the idea by any means; and I see that the galley is a bit small...

I like this one as well, though MoR's feedback has got me thinking of a couple other things to try.

Try the galley in gold....

and maybe the fluer-de-lys in red...

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Something that just occurred to me; is the bordure around your arms a distinction indicative of cadency?

In other words, does this represent you as being the eldest son of the second son (your father), or (forgetting about the label for a moment) is this the bordure you would apply as the second son of your father? I'm thinking it must be the former, if the latter the bordure would not be applied during infancy (under the heraldic age of 21), only the label. When reaching maturity (21) the label would be discarded and the appropriate cadency mark or bordure would be applied.