clan associations

[Mike_Oettle]

JockinSkye wrote: “Clans are a relic of the distant past to me.”

What comes to mind is an earnest fellow student who remarked to me about 40 years back: “Patriotism is an outdated notion.”
It was very trendy back then to dismiss patriotism, not to mention courage, valour and gentlemanly conduct.
And patriotism has had a bad press because of ultra-patriots. In my own country alone, the white and black nationalists have appealed to patriotism.
But that does not stop me from taking pride in my country despite the evils committed in the name of patriotism.
Clans? Outdated they may be, but there is something of value in the clan spirit.
Regards,
Mike

[JockInSkye]

JockinSkye wrote: “Clans are a relic of the distant past to me.”

What comes to mind is an earnest fellow student who remarked to me about 40 years back: “Patriotism is an outdated notion.”
It was very trendy back then to dismiss patriotism, not to mention courage, valour and gentlemanly conduct.
And patriotism has had a bad press because of ultra-patriots. In my own country alone, the white and black nationalists have appealed to patriotism.
But that does not stop me from taking pride in my country despite the evils committed in the name of patriotism.
Clans? Outdated they may be, but there is something of value in the clan spirit.
Regards,
Mike

Patriotism is very different to clan and clan asociations though. Patriotism is a relevent concept which has affect that is felt through legislation, culture, ideology and politics (I would consider myself a patriot to a degree). Where as a Scottish clan is an effectively redundant concept that is nothing more than a group of people with the same last name. And I do not say that with a sarky tone, I do realise that it is important for people as it gives them a fraternal connection with the Scots, however to most Scots it has never played any kind of specific part in their life.

It depends on the person how relevent a clan or clan associations and I apoligize for not making that clear, just because it is not relevent ot me, does not mean that it is not relevent to others and I should have pointed out that it is entirely my opinion.

Cheers

[YoungLady]

I'm considering joining the Clan Young Society but I don't know if I really have the time to devote to it. I don't want to just pay the fee and forget about it. If I join I'd like to have something useful to contribute

[McConnell Mor]

Proudly commissioner for the Clan Donald USA for the State of Louisiana. Family hailing from Islay, and Ballymena, Antrim to include the McDonald's, McDaniel's, McConnell's, Curry's, McLergan's, Gillespie's, Henderson's, Kenedy's, Burke's, Alexander's, Gowan's etc.... I felt the overwhelming urge to cast my lot with the Clan Donald. I believe we should keep the traditions alive by gathering as often as we can, and if nothing else, pass this on to our children and youth.

[BoldHighlander]

I felt the overwhelming urge to cast my lot with the Clan Donald. I believe we should keep the traditions alive by gathering as often as we can, and if nothing else, pass this on to our children and youth.

Well said cousin!

I'm considering joining the Clan Young Society but I don't know if I really have the time to devote to it. I don't want to just pay the fee and forget about it. If I join I'd like to have something useful to contribute

I hope you will take that step & join/support your clan society. You don't have to devote all your time to it. Even if all you can do right now is to show up at a local games, and man the booth for a half hour so, giving the full-time volunteers a chance for a break, I guarantee that gesture will be greatly appreciated!

[Shaw of Easter Lair]

I am a life member and on the council of one clan association (based in Scotland), and cheerfully remain 'a lone wolf' and have little to do with another (based in the US)......it all depends on the association's ethos and what setting their compass point is at.

[Daniel Hyde]

Life member and current President of Clan MacGillivray.
DON'T TOUCH THIS CAT

[Graham A. Robieson]

I voted "I don't have a clan, I just love kilts" The Irish don't have clans, we have gangs!
My wife is a member of her Clan's associations, and I am a member of two Irish heritage groups.

The Irish do have clans but they are called septs...sept is the Irish word for clan...in Scotland Clan Septs are clans within a clan e.g. allied families through blood, marriage or tennancy etc.


All the best,


Graham


Another note: In regards to an association I have not joined any, my family history leads to Clan Robertson (Donnachaidh), Clan Buchanan, Clan Cameron and Clan Cooper as far as my research has gone at the moment.

[Graham A. Robieson]

I have found it hard to find a clan for my last name. I guess LYTHGOE is not associated with a prominent clan. I am not really sure though.

LYTHGOE/LITHGOW - Linlithgow, to Berwick etc. 13th c. Most likely with an association to a place rather than a clan, can lead you to which clan occupied which place...and that could hold some connections for you.


All the best,


Graham

[Livingston]

LYTHGOE/LITHGOW - Linlithgow, to Berwick etc. 13th c. Most likely with an association to a place rather than a clan, can lead you to which clan occupied which place...and that could hold some connections for you.


All the best,


Graham

Graham, the Livingston's were prominent in Linlithgow.

Lords Livingston (1458-1600)
James Livingston, 1st Lord Livingston (d. 1467)
James Livingston, 2nd Lord Livingston (d. 1497)
James Livingston, 3rd Lord Livingston (d. 1503)
William Livingston, 4th Lord Livingston (d. 1518) {a lineal descendant was Rev. John Livingston, father of Robert Livingston the Elder of New York.}
Alexander Livingston, 5th Lord Livingston (d. 1550)
William Livingstone, 6th Lord Livingston (d. 1592)
Alexander Livingston, 7th Lord Livingston (d. 1623) (created Earl of Linlithgow in 1600)

Earls of Linlithgow (1600-1716)
Alexander Livingston, 1st Earl of Linlithgow (d. 1623)
Alexander Livingston, 2nd Earl of Linlithgow (d. 1650)
George Livingston, 3rd Earl of Linlithgow (1616-1690)
George Livingston, 4th Earl of Linlithgow (d. 1695)
James Livingston, 5th Earl of Linlithgow, 4th Earl of Callendar (d. 1723) (attainted 1716) married Margaret Hay {d.1723}. Children: Lord Livingston {d.1715} and Anne Livingston {d.1747} married 4th Earl of Kilmarnock (attainted/forfeit 1746) from whom are descended the Earls of Erroll