Women and Kilt Wearing

[michael steinrok]

When did this become a battle with men winning or losing? I refuse to get in that fight. I'm not into causes, I wear my kilts because they're comfortable, not to prevent women from wearing them or draw any lines in the sand.

Once again bubba I agree with you whole heartedly

[Rigged]

And to think that women achieved a ban on men's-only clubs out of fear that us guys were getting together to conspire against women for our own selfish interests.

While it's true that there were and still are a handful of powerful men who run things, the main reason we had men's-only clubs was so that we could hang out and do stupid "guy" stuff like play golf and smoke stinky cigars without constantly being reminded by the women in our lives that the dishes needed to be done and the garbage needed to be taken out.

The vast majority of men have never had a share of the wealth and power of men like Donald Trump or Bill Gates. We, like our sisters, just work for them.

Meanwhile, we've lost vitually all of our men's-only spaces. Divorced men stand an 85% chance of losing their homes, children and a large chunk of their income. More women than men are starting their own businesses. Women make up the vast majority of K through 12 educators and now more women are attending and graduating college than men.

And while there are all kinds of women's organizations, clubs, political action groups, etc. Men do very little to protect or defend our own interests -- assuming that we even know what our interests are.

We can't even agree that the clothes we wear are men's clothing.

Women are the future. Men are a joke.

[Space Moose]

Sounds like somebody has a case of vagina envy.

That's a joke, but this isn't:

It sounds like you've got a real chip on your shoulder when it comes to women.

Try to remember that your attitudes and actions will affect your life a lot more than anything else. Perhaps the reasons of the 'imbalances' you mention (women opening more businesses, going to college, etc), has less to do with men being held back by some 'pro-female agenda' and has more to do with the actions and attitudes of men.

Craig

[bubba]

Y'know, somehow we still manage to get together and do stupid guy things without any problem, but as for smoking those stinky cigars, the anti smoking folks are doing a great job of getting smoking bans put in place that even apply to private clubs and those people aren't just women trying to keep men down. Do women get preferential treatment? yes, at times, but that isn't forever either. The problems are mostly caused by piss poor attitudes on the part of men and women who see the other gender as an enemy rather than as a partner. Like I said, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about clothes. I wear what I want when I want and nobody is trying to stop me and I'll extend the same courtesy to others. No "movements" or crusades for this boy.

[Alan H]

I would just like to say that I have no strong opinion on this issue.

*grin*

[Rigged]

Try to remember that your attitudes and actions will affect your life a lot more than anything else.

And so 85% percent of men lose their children in family court because women lobbied the court system heavily while us guys were wooping it up in the tittie bar.

No sir, the chip on my shoulder isn't about women, it's about us.

[Rigged]

I would just like to say that I have no strong opinion on this issue.

Alan, your opinion on this would melt my monitor.

[Angus MacSpey]

No sir, the chip on my shoulder isn't about women, it's about us.

I definitely agree with that. Too many men have abdicated their responsibilities too. I'm simply disgusted to hear the attitudes expressed by people toward the opposite sex. Feminism told women that they didn't need men for anything, so men said, "OK, then. Do it yourself." It turned into a vicious cycle, with the wedge driving itself ever deeper. If some sanity is to prevail, it will be because men eventually stand up and demand an end to the foolishness. We're waiting to be gentlemen again - but only if there are ladies to appreciate it, not screaming NOW nags. (For you blokes outside the U.S., that's the National Organization for Women - note there is no "NOM.")

With that said, I seem to have somewhat lost my original point, but it's all because my hackles are bound to raise when I hear talk about women being "oppressed." It's one thing for a woman to be a bra-burning feminist, but it's just plain disgusting behavior for men. So, women are oppressed by patriarchy? Let's think about this.

We used to protect women from violence. Now we let them join the Marines so they can share the "equality of opportunity" to get shot just as well as any man.

We used to think women had enough to do with keeping a house and raising kids. Now we expect them to do that AND have a day job.

Women were "exploited" in the bad old days? Now they work the same job for less money than a man. No, that's not exploiting cheap labor, is it?

Women are treated as chattel? I hear this in regards to Western society from all sorts of blowhards, who, in the next breath, tell me that the spread of the "religion of peace" across Europe is wonderful. While it hasn't always been perfect, the fact remains that no culture or religion has ever treated women as well as the Christian West. So go take your hand-wringing to the Middle East, where America is busy bombing the only country that allowed women to drive. Ironic, no?

Women have no political power in the West? Numerous Western countries have had women as prime ministers (England), presidents (Iceland), etc., and if we in the U.S. are extremely unlucky, we'll have one soon as well. You know who....

That said, it's no skin off my nose if a woman wears a kilt, though I do not approve and find it in extremely poor taste. I'll say she's cross-dressing - not that it matters to them any longer. Clothing is not the issue here. The real issue to be considered is the very real loss of manhood among men, and womanhood among women. If we had the old-fashioned, traditional respect for each other, this whole topic would be unimaginable.

You don't need to be part of the doomsday crowd to see that society is not headed in a positive direction. You can figure it out from the daily news. Men and women both need to recognize that the powers that be benefit from the massive gulf they've created between the sexes, and work to mend it.

[Angus MacSpey]

I would just like to say that I have no strong opinion on this issue.

*grin*

I wish you would go ahead and melt my monitor. That would be all the excuse I need to get that new 21" LCD I've been wanting!

[Mike1]

Welcome to the 21st century and the throw-away society we exist in.

I might be showing my age, but I clearly remember when a man's word meant something. If you made a promise, you kept it. Shaking a man's hand was as binding as signing a contract.

That was then, this is now. Men and women that really have no real desire to commit themselves to a life-long relationship end up taking a vow that they don't fully understand and certainly do not mean. People borrow money with little to no hope of ever paying it back to the lender.

Remember the days of watch repair shops? How about television repair shops? Shoe repair shops? All of these concerns are becoming as extinct as the dinosaurs, because we are perfectly willing to toss whatever out the door and purchase new. Whether it be a television or a spouse.

And what any of this has to do with Women and Kilt Wearing is totally beyond my imagination, so let's try to steer back to the original topic.