Eire 34 - Scotland 13!

davecolorado72 · 23rd February 08, 10:08 PM

Big match today in the 6 nations between the Irish and the Scots. Kind of a surprising result. Thoughts on the match, if you saw it? Thought Scotland played good possesion rugby. Next week will be huge with Ireland v Wales and Scotland v. England.

**Nervous Jock** · 25th February 08, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by davecolorado72

Big match today in the 6 nations between the Irish and the Scots. Kind of a surprising result. Thoughts on the match, if you saw it? Thought Scotland played good possesion rugby. Next week will be huge with Ireland v Wales and Scotland v. England.

No surprises there at all, Scotland are rubbish, and are unlikely to win any matches this competition. I'll post some photo's from Croke later its one hellava ground

**elrond** · 25th February 08, 02:10 AM

I suffered all the day both for Italy and for Scotland....
the best match owing to my opinion has been France vs England: they had almost the same "strenght" and foght till the end: good match!!

**Nervous Jock** · 25th February 08, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by elrond

I suffered all the day both for Italy and for Scotland....
the best match owing to my opinion has been France vs England: they had almost the same "strenght" and foght till the end: good match!!

Will you be in Rome on the 16th??

**elrond** · 25th February 08, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Nervous Jock

Will you be in Rome on the 16th??

I would like, but I cannot be there.I will see it on the TV this round.
Perhaps one day I will be able to go the every stadium Italy plays, here or in Scotland, Wales, Ireland and so on... who knows?

**Nervous Jock** · 25th February 08, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by elrond

I would like, but I cannot be there.I will see it on the TV this round.
Perhaps one day I will be able to go the every stadium Italy plays, here or in Scotland, Wales, Ireland and so on... who knows?

If you are ever going drop me a note

**Nervous Jock** · 25th February 08, 10:31 AM

Croke Photos

**Arlen** · 25th February 08, 04:10 AM

To be honest, I thought Scotland played better than they have been, but I was absolutely sickened at the behaviour of some of the Scottish team.
Some of the unrestrained and unreasoning violence with had noting to do with the game itself was absolutely uncalled for.

And now someone in the team has been accused of doping.
(Scratch that - He's just been cleared.)

**Corkonian** · 26th February 08, 06:23 AM

There's no such country as "Eire", mate. It's "Ireland". Look it up on the map, in the UN, in the EU, any international organisation or treaty you care to mention. Ireland - not "Eire", not "the Republic of Ireland", not "the Irish Republic", not "The Republic". Ireland, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland. One word. In English. Got it?

We particularly resent being referred to as Eire - only the British do it, mostly the well-meaning but basically ignorant ones. Eire is only used on our stamps and coinage - and that is only because the redneck Gaeilgeoir culture hegemonists who staff our Civil Service thought it would be a good idea to pretend, yes pretend, that we live in a Celtic paradise where everyone speaks Irish/Gaelic. In reality, fewer than 5% choose to speak it.

Ok, rant over. Sorry. It was a pretty good game for us, scoring two tries off so little possession in the 1st half. But guys, you gifted us our 1st and 5th tries, with silly pre-schoolboy errors, and although our 3rd try was really well executed with the cross-field kick, it was also made rather easy for us - where was the defence? If Horan hadn't been there to score it, Bowe was right behind him and would have scored it instead (and got a hat-trick in the process). That's a 2-on-zero attacking formation!

So I hardly rate any of those three tries in terms of an Irish return to form; only the 2nd and 4th tries, which came from brilliant movement and handling, made me feel that this Irish team are maybe getting their act together again.

Strokosch was the only Scottish player to really impress me - he has fantastic power as a ball carrier. Patterson was an improvement on Parks. And I think you need Cussiter back again in place of Blair. More than anything else, you need 5 backs who can cut through defences at least some of the time, with all that possession. Don't be downhearted; it can come good for Scotland yet; you're no worse now than we were in the World Cup 6 months back. But it requires bringing in some of your "A" talent and a change of tactics. Oh yeah, and a re-learning of the utter basics...like sticking to your wing, and expecting the inside move off the scrum!

**McClef** · 26th February 08, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Nervous Jock

Been on the SA again chief??

What on earth could make you think that? I only drink any Brains' brew occasionally!

Originally Posted by Corkonian

There's no such country as "Eire", mate. It's "Ireland". Look it up on the map, in the UN, in the EU, any international organisation or treaty you care to mention. Ireland - not "Eire", not "the Republic of Ireland", not "the Irish Republic", not "The Republic". Ireland, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland. One word. In English. Got it?

We particularly resent being referred to as Eire - only the British do it, mostly the well-meaning but basically ignorant ones. Eire is only used on our stamps and coinage - and that is only because the redneck Gaeilgeoir culture hegemonists who staff our Civil Service thought it would be a good idea to pretend, yes pretend, that we live in a Celtic paradise where everyone speaks Irish/Gaelic. In reality, fewer than 5% choose to speak it.

It's a more complex situation than that as all Irish stuff can be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ire

True you won't hear it spoken much in Cork, just as you won't hear much Welsh spoken where I live, but when there are two official languages, irrespective of proportionality, there will be usage that spills from the minority language into the majority one. Not just banknotes and stamps but place names, and in Ireland car registration plates, etc etc.

And on the latter, where the name of the county is shown, it's always in Gaelic - the English clue is only given in the letters of the registration.

Our Canadian brethren can testify to how much French they see, even if they don't use it and don't live in Quebec.

Not everyone is an expert on subtle nuances of meaning and difference between what Gaelic usage and English usage represents. And it's not "only the British" - we would tend to use "Republic of Ireland" or "Irish Republic" these days just as we use "Northern Ireland" rather than "Ulster" or "The Six Counties."

The fact remains that the island of Ireland is still divided between two nations so differentiations between the two in how they are described are inevitable.