Kilted weatherman

[Bugbear]

I agree with Todd. As a strange twist though, when I was a teenager, dressing in a suit etc was a way for me to not conform; I didn't have the kilt at that time.

I don't know how many people walk on both sides of that street, but I and others dress both traditionally and non-traditionally depending on the setting and so on. Sometimes, though, the non-conformist dress codes are much more complicated and harder to follow than with the traditional...

[Paul Henry]

Todd,
this can on and on.... I've never said that people can't wear a PC ( and the rest of that outfit) if they like, and your right (if that is what it is) is yours (ones) to wear what like...

You frequently repeat that the traditionalist point should be respected, I don't see anywhere that it isn't in what I wrote.

There are kilt wearers who wear the whole fig and it has even been suggested by other traditional wearers that that can be too much when all worn together ( I mean things like- the hat and the pc and the vests and the plaid and the dirk and hose and the hose toppers and the spats etc~)

(and actually the PC jacket and associated wardrobe isn't really Scottish national dress... it's the kilt and only the kilt which makes it national )

Perhaps I'm a little confused when you say it is a two way street, I thought that was the essence of what I had said, so you are actually agreeing with me?

[macwilkin]

Todd,
this can on and on.... I've never said that people can't wear a PC ( and the rest of that outfit) if they like, and your right (if that is what it is) is yours (ones) to wear what like...

You frequently repeat that the traditionalist point should be respected, I don't see anywhere that it isn't in what I wrote.

There are kilt wearers who wear the whole fig and it has even been suggested by other traditional wearers that that can be too much when all worn together ( I mean things like- the hat and the pc and the vests and the plaid and the dirk and hose and the hose toppers and the spats etc~)

(and actually the PC jacket and associated wardrobe isn't really Scottish national dress... it's the kilt and only the kilt which makes it national )

Perhaps I'm a little confused when you say it is a two way street, I thought that was the essence of what I had said, so you are actually agreeing with me?

Paul: if you go back and read your original post, you'll see what I mean about the traditionalist POV not being respected. I'm not saying you do not in particular, but it seems whenever someone tries to bring forth an opinion from the traditionalist side of kilt-wearers, they are immediately charged with being disrespectful/mean/etc. because they offer a "negative" opinion.

And I still disagree with you regarding the PC -- would you wear one with anything but a kilt? The PC is Scottish National Dress because it is designed to be worn with a kilt and/or trews. I suppose you could wear one with formal "Saxon" trousers, but that wouldn't look right in my eyes.

On the whole, I agree that anyone can wear whatever they please...including traditionalists. If wearing a kilt is about "freedom", then traditionalists should have the freedom to wear the kilt following the "rules".

Respectfully,

Todd

[Pleater]

Sorry - I knew it was Robert - why the fingers decided that Robin was better I do not know.

I suspect that the weather forecast is not swanky enough for the BBC to allow a bow tie - the dress code in the BBC is quite strict, and the hierarchy of presenters is rigid even now.

I expect that it would have been replaced with something more appropriate to see in the New Year, once the broadcast was finished.

As for the no belt with a waistcoat rule - whilst I am sure that it is correct and proper amongst those in the know, it might not be general knowledge for someone who only wears a kilt for high days and holidays.

I did notice that his expression was slightly mischievous, either he'd had a small libation beforehand or he knew something that we can only guess at.

Anne the Pleater

[SteveB]

I do agree with Todd about what is proper with an Argyle or Prince Charlie. I would wear the bow tie.
I do not know the BBC's rules of attire for the presenters. I do know that some media outlets have made the neck tie the mandatory wear on men in the media view of the public. That Robert was wearing a kilt, is probably fine as the rules are not as specific about the lower attire, as it is not often in the public view. For many years a presenter on BBC International sat behind the desk giving the news in a proper suit jacket, white shirt, and necktie. Not noticed by the public, was that he was in athletic costume and tennis shoes on the lower part. Only those that were in the studio ever saw the full display.
From what little I saw of Robert's attire, he could be wearing scrunched hose and sneakers, even though proper hose, garters, flashes and shoes would be what us "traditionalists" would expect to see with a PC.
Respect to all points of view,
Steve

[Martin]

I for my part, am always delighted to see anyone who is prepared to wear the kilt in public, even if they don't conform precisely to expected dress codes.

I got up the courage (with the help of a wee dram) to march into my local pub on new year's eve in my plain black kilt. I suprised, shocked even, a number of people and attracted a good deal of interest.
If just one man in the pub that night thought to himself 'Hey, you know, that looks great, maybe I could wear one of those' then maybe the kilt has moved one microstep nearer to becoming as acceptable as a pair of trousers.

Full marks to Robert!

[Jock Scot]

My point is this,if no one had commented about the more usual attire that is worn with a Prince Charlie jacket (ie a bow tie) you can almost have a certain bet that some one somewhere will use that picture as "proof" that they can copy that mode of dress and state to the world that it is "correct" and those that have been around a bit on this website know full well that that happens. I absolutely agree that any one can wear what they like when they like ,sadly though, that will not necessarily stop them looking like a lemon!