NOT kilted at work -- your thoughts, please?

[Marshal Moroni]

Several thoughts....
1) I agree with the on their time their rules theory, after all they are paying you for representing them.

2) It is sometimes easier (not necessarily better) to get forgiveness over permission.... however since you've already asked you could be in direct opposition to a directive. This is shaky ground to be standing on.

3) Is this the hill you want to die on? Often I ask myself this when I come up against things I want more than those around me. So, sometimes even on my own time I wear trousers to accommodate those around me. People are more important than clothing (yes, even kilts).

Cheers,

Marshal Moroni

[Riverkilt]

Ain't it a shame though?

At the core is the freedom of females to choose between a wide range of bifurcated or unbifurcated garments in the workplace while some weird convention denies males the same freedom of choice.

Why is it an issue?

Thank you to those men who are bit by bit, step by step, risking in the workplace and helping make kilts a legitimate choice for men in the workplace.

Ron

[Chas]

Which can go 50/50, as the boss has the distenction of not needing to forgiving you. By not asking it can look like a lack of respect for those in charge, which can be viewed as a challange... which could have you put out the door. Like many here have said, it's best to do as you are told on company time, as they are the ones paying you... wear what you will on your own time.

Not to take this off topic too much, but in the same vain. There are many on the board who wear the kilt for non family related reasons, and feel that they should feel free to wear what they like, when and where they like; work or not. Now not to single out anyone here, and this is just an honest question, nothing more... but to the Americans here.. how whould you feel if a co-worker with no family or religious conection started to wear Saudi types of dress to work, how do you feel your co-workers would feel? Do you think an answer of "I like the freedom of it" would stop the boss from sending them home to change.. do you think your co-workers would not think them strange?

If the Mods think my last bit is too much, feel free to remove it. But I was just trying to put this in a different light so that people can see the other (boss, co-workers) side of this.

Frank

I've got to agree. Everybody's vision falls short of 20/20; we are all tainted by our life experiences and see things as we want to.

If one can strip the personal prejudice out, quite often they will slap you with 'Health and Safety' from which there is no appeal.

Regards

Chas

[Highland Logan]

Ain't it a shame though?

At the core is the freedom of females to choose between a wide range of bifurcated or unbifurcated garments in the workplace while some weird convention denies males the same freedom of choice.

Why is it an issue?

Thank you to those men who are bit by bit, step by step, risking in the workplace and helping make kilts a legitimate choice for men in the workplace.

Ron

Ron the kilt is the National Dress of Scotland, not some odd type of dress to create a backward Male Sexual Revolution on. Kilts are about Clan and Family, not freedom. It could be this imposed view which cause others to judge those who wear the kilt in a negative light.

Frank

[Riverkilt]

Unbifurcated garments are worn by millions, maybe billions, of men throughout the world. Kilts aside, 'tis a shame men don't have the same freedom of choice that women have when it comes to dress in the workplace.

And, really don't see that much difference between a wool pleated tartan skirt that a woman can wear to work any day of the week she chooses and a wool pleated tartan kilt - a type of skirt - that a man could wear.

Stand a woman in a wool tartan skirt next to a man in a wool tartan kilt - what's the difference?

Sorry, I don't buy the clan and family only thing. Look how many tartan non-kilt types of garments are being sold by menswear vendors.

No hassle to wear a tartan shirt to work. No hassle to wear a tartan tie to work. No hassle to wear tartan pants to work (speaking for myself), maybe even no hassle to wear a tartan sportcoat to work...what's the big deal with a well made tartan kilt?

Seems a power and control issue over a very tiny thing.

Your milage may vary

Ron

[Highland Logan]

Seems a power and control issue over a very tiny thing.

Ron, you seem to come off as one who needs control, and may not care much that others have some over you. That in a nut shell is life, and has been since the dawn of time. Someone else is always in control, and they call the shots. If it such a little thing, than maybe you should give up trying to change a corp. culture which will never except your idea of things. Someone who pays another gets to call the shots... !

Frank

[Riverkilt]

Hmmm, not sure how we got from a philosophical view of the world and our culture at large to my personal shortcomings.

Thanks for the heads up though. I'll go talk to my AA sponsor about it and see if I do need to do some work.

Ron

[macwilkin]

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[Dall_Piobaire]

Actually both you guys are right, but in a sense, it is a bit of tilting at windmills.

I don't think it is fair to analyze someone and make any kind of judgement about them with just the internet and this forum as support for that. We tend to forget that all inflection, and body language is lost. Inferences can be made that ain't necessarily so, and feeling het hurt!

The problem is todays society wants everything pigeonholed, or cubicled as it were, Khakis, oxford shirt, laced shoes. Or maybe, suit and tie is the uniform and expected status quo for those who don't actually have to wear a real uniform.

Wearing of the kilt makes one unique anomg a non kilt wearing culture, a culture that, I might add, includes Scotland. How does one claim to wear it to celebrate cultural diversity when the culture one is celebrating doesn't, for the most part, wear them eiher? It makes some people uncomfortable to have people around them be different in any way. This applies to most any and everything, look at religions and their psychotic need to convert everyone.

I don't wear mine all the time, but I wear it because it means something special to me, so I wear it at special times. I would rather it be uncommon then common! It makes one unique!

[The Guy in the Kilt at UC]

My response was, “Jim [has a positive response ever started out with one's name like that?], we're really going to be hopping at the exhibit tomorrow. You should wear a polo shirt and slacks.”

Did she mean you would literally be hopping? Because if so, she may have a point. If not, then you should get confrontational if you think she can handle it. There is a professor at the school where I work who I avoid. He really respects people who confront him, assuming of course that you are right. I have had people that get really defensive in those situations (female, if that means anything). Gauge your supervisor and her personality and make a call. Fight or hide, but don't do nothing.