I am also frustrated by the 'standard sizing' with a 24" drop, all my clothing is sized R (for runt). That said, I often run into the problem of the hose fitting the foot but not being long enough. My calves may be thought of as 'thick' so taking the hose to the widest part is guaranteed to cause them to fall down. I pretty much have to go above the thickness which still leaves a fair distance between the hose and the knee. There are times I have no fold at all. If I get hose that are long enough, the foot is sloppy and uncomfortable in the shoe. 'Standard sizing' is frustrating - custom clothing for all!!