Glengarry Question

[Nick the DSM]

Yes, I have seen that reference before. It would help if we could see the primary source where it originated from.

T.

Yes, it would be. Even a picture would be great.

[okiescot]

I have been in two different pipe bands. One was full military dress with pipers wearing green doublets and drummers wearing red. The other band we wore shirts and vests. In both bands the drummers wore diced Glengarries and the pipers wore plain Glengarries.

In Oklahoma there are not a lot of purists as near as I can tell judging from what many people wear.

[theborderer]

Try this for reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glengarry#History

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[PatG]

Found while googling:

[Father Bill]

Found while googling:

Ooogh!

[eagle43172]

If I may I would point out that the Glengarry was so popular as a military head dress that between 1868 and 1897, the glengarry was adopted as an undress cap for most infantry regiments in the British army (not just the Scottish). In 1937, they adopted , the Universal Pattern Field Service Cap (used by the British Army in World War II) described as "similar in shape to the Glengarry." From this style cap the U.S. Army adopted the "Garrison" or "Overseas" cap familiar to generations of GI's and Boy scouts. I prefer the Balmoral (I own diced and plain), but occasionally wear a Glengarry.

[macwilkin]

If I may I would point out that the Glengarry was so popular as a military head dress that between 1868 and 1897, the glengarry was adopted as an undress cap for most infantry regiments in the British army (not just the Scottish). In 1937, they adopted , the Universal Pattern Field Service Cap (used by the British Army in World War II) described as "similar in shape to the Glengarry." From this style cap the U.S. Army adopted the "Garrison" or "Overseas" cap familiar to generations of GI's and Boy scouts. I prefer the Balmoral (I own diced and plain), but occasionally wear a Glengarry.

One slight correction: The US Army did issue an overseas cap during the First World War which was based on a French cap*. If you look at the AEF garrison cap, it isn't the same as the WWII model:

http://carolinahistoryproject.com/Ga...orld_War_I.php
http://www.militaryheadgear.com/types/93

*Other historians believe it may have been adapted from a Serbian design.

T.

[creagdhubh]

I have in the past had this discussion and that of the red pom with Robert Mackies, the last traditional bonnet makers left in Scotland, they are blissfully unaware of any such significance to the dicing, be it red/black/ or red/green/black or any other colour combination.
Just put it down to the myths that surround the wearing of the kilt

Quite right, Chris. I have heard of this myth surrounding the dicing on Highland bonnets and to me, it's simply rubbish, and not to be taken seriously. Wear whatever Highland headwear you prefer, be it a Glengarry or a Balmoral. My only suggestion is to go with Robert Mackie as your official bonnet maker.

Cheers,

[creagdhubh]

Actually Her Majesty is a descendant of James VI (I of England) and his wife, Anne of Denmark. Their eldest daughter (older sister of Charles I) was the Princess Elizabeth who married Frederick V, King of Bohemia. Their daughter Sophia married Ernst August of Hanover, and it was her son, George, who was later King George I of England and Scotland (as well as being King of Hanover).

Through her mother's family (the Bowes-Lyons) Her Majesty has even closer ties to Scotland.

Quite right, Scott.

Cheers,