Interesting Irish kilt article

[Nick the DSM]

Are you going to start wearing a Leine and brat to out "authentic" every one else?

There's been some interesting information, like that Italian garment, discussed in this thread.

I would like to someday get a good look at how a lein might have been pleated according to the reenactors.

Out authentic?

Nah, I'd wear one to a ren fest and that'd be it.

[Skipper1]

Hi - regarding the first article, I came across it several years ago and asked the members of the Irish Kilt Society, some of whom remembered the ODinan, what were his sources for his attestation regarding particular families/districts and solid colours. I can find the email chain any more, but the substance of the response was that the good gentleman was no longer with us (having passed to the west and his reward some years earliier). He had not been fortunate enough to share his sources before that event. The resonse I recieved as at some pains to state only that and nothing more on the matter of the ODinan's assertions. Certainly, if you go to the Society's new web page, you will see comments reflecting the general opinion held on this forum - that the current solid colour kilt is a product of the early 1900 gaelic revival.

[Bugbear]

Out authentic?

Nah, I'd wear one to a ren fest and that'd be it.

Ya, like authentic, dude.

You could bring them back into style.

I'm just joking with you.

[artificer]

Ya, like authentic, dude.

You could bring them back into style.

I'm just joking with you.

I plan on bringing back nudity, tempered with extremely long body hair, as the ORIGINAL authentic.

(Don't confuse this with those ape-peoples who walked on their knuckles... they're too 'before the curve' to count)

ith:

[Bugbear]

I plan on bringing back nudity, tempered with extremely long body hair, as the ORIGINAL authentic.

(Don't confuse this with those ape-peoples who walked on their knuckles... they're too 'before the curve' to count)

ith:

Na, man, the sixties were a little before my time.

[MacSpadger]

Very interesting dissertation, glad you posted it. But I will draw the line against the wading thing you mention- I've never seen that in the legend. They took a boat, which is easy enough to do since the two coastlines are in sight of each other.

Oh, there's rather a few versions that have the wading


I always preferred taking the Stranraer to Larne ferry myself.

[Lallans]

Oh, there's rather a few versions that have the wading


I always preferred taking the Stranraer to Larne ferry myself.

Presumably then this was in the happy time the global warming folks are trying to recapture, when most of the earth's water was locked up in the polar ice caps? Anyway, it is certain this was the Irish Sea they were wading and not some lough or other?

[Nick the DSM]

Ya, like authentic, dude.

You could bring them back into style.

I'm just joking with you.

Forget kilts or everyone should just wear leine!

[Bugbear]

Forget kilts or everyone should just wear leine!

Sometimes I feel that way... Then I remember I'm on a kilt forum.

My male ancestors were wearing trousers or breeches by the time they left the old-world. I suppose tunics were worn for a time in the Southwest; should probably look that up.

It wasn't the traditional garb I inherited though. The best I could probably do is a poncho or perhaps a wearing-blanket.

[Mike_Oettle]

While this has been a fascinating discussion, the article quoted by the OP is clearly unreliable at best, and quite likely complete rubbish.
MacSpadger brings up two intriguing aspects in the discussion, namely what the Romans called the Irish, and the legend of Queen Scota (or Scotia).
Certainly the Romans were not interested enough to want to occupy Ireland, but they did give it the name Hibernia. But the Scotti clearly did come from that island, although the Romans were chiefly concerned about them because they raided the western coasts of Britannia.
Cæsar came to the conclusion that in order to control Gaul, he had to destroy the druids. And although he did not succeed in doing this, Claudius followed his written instructions to the letter, and (although sitting in Rome while his legions did the job for him) succeeded by means of a diagonal march from the mouth of the Thames to Anglesey, where the druids’ college on Holy Isle was attacked and destroyed.
By contrast the threat from Ireland was merely one of occasional raids, not a religion that threatened to undermine the Pax Romana.
As for the story that Scota was carried across the Irish Sea by men wading, bear in mind that the illustration shown dates back to no more recent period than the 19th century, and can hardly be taken as ancient. It would be interesting to know more about the documents on which the text accompanying the drawing was based.
But then it can be hard in any case to make sense of ancient Gaelic legends – I recall really battling to understand an English translation of The Táin.
All the same, a poet’s claim that men waded across the sea might be nothing more than poetic licence (why else would it be so called?).
Regards,
Mike