We are all kilted sinners! Oh no!! :-)

[Bill aka Mole]

I shall limit myself to only one post about this person of narrow-mindedness:

"It's better to laugh with the sinners than to cry with the saints;
The sinners are much more fun! Only the good die young!"

Kindly read the last line of my signature.

[piperdbh]

Since very few people are qualified to become scribes, the custom is to fill in a letter outlined by the scribe when a new scroll is being written. I availed myself of the opportunity to do this. I was a little concerned about the reaction of the (very orthodox) Rabbi who was the scribe for this project to my kilt. So that morning, I was at the orientation for the "writers" in my suit. The scribe took me aside and said "I expected you to show respect by putting on your finest outfit. Where's your kilt?"
Needless to say, I wrote in the Torah, dressed in my Barb Tewksbury box pleat Leatherneck.

Geoff Withnell

[threadjack]So do various members of the synagogue get to write a little bit in the new Torah? When you say, "...fill in a letter outlined by the scribe..." does the scribe draw the outline of the Hebrew letters and then you color it in on your own? That sounds like a really cool way of doing things. How big will this new Torah be when it's finished?[/threadjack]

[Nighthawk]

It might be just a tad arrogant...

I stopped reading your post here. What you're saying can't possibly increase in it's wisdom from this point on. This hits it right on the head- there is nothing other than arrogance in the rantings of those people. Claiming to know who/what God/the gods hate? How arrogant to think that they know the mind of God! We can't even know the minds of mortals!! How can we possibly comprehend the mind of God? I always knew I liked you, CDN!!

Where is his tirade about women wearing pants?

It's in the section about feminism.

This individual gives real Christians (such as myself), a bad name!

No sir!! No one with any sense lets crazies like that tint our view of others.

I would like to personally thank everyone who has posted to this thread for their intelligent, thoughtful and respectful words.
This thread had the potential to go south so fast.
Thank you, one and all. You have proven that this forum is truly the home of some of the finest people on the web.

Really? We're not completely uncouth? I agree, Steve. That's why I have over 4000 posts here- way more than any other board I have ever been on- even Iron Maiden's! And anyone who knows me knows that I'm a huge Maiden fan!

[threadjack]So do various members of the synagogue get to write a little bit in the new Torah? When you say, "...fill in a letter outlined by the scribe..." does the scribe draw the outline of the Hebrew letters and then you color it in on your own? That sounds like a really cool way of doing things. How big will this new Torah be when it's finished?[/threadjack]

I was thinking the same thing!! What a great way to take a personal interest in your synagogue.

[Lime]

I wish he had mentioned something earlier: now I'm probably going to go blind... or do not all sins work like that!

[Nighthawk]

Jesus said in Matthew 11:8, "But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses." John the Baptist was rugged, as a man should be. The men who lived in the palace wore "soft" clothing, i.e., they didn't look or act like REAL MEN. I've never seen a construction worker wearing a kilt. I've never seen a truck mechanic or a coal miner wearing a kilt. I only see men with clean jobs, or playing bagpipes, wearing kilts. Kilts are for men in the palace, not for John the Baptist type men ... real men!

I thought I was done with this... and then I read this and just about spit coffee all over my keyboard. This picture:



was right by this quote! And then I thought about all the Highland warriors, like Rob Roy for example, who look even prettier than this biker guy! If I ever run across the guy who wrote this and he's wearing anything other than denim, leather and chains, or is not dressed like Davey Crocket, I am going to kick his sissyfied soft clothing wearing butt so hard that it'll turn itself inside out and come out his mouth!

(Oh yeah- and alcohol is also a sin... so I'm sitting here listening to Iron Maiden, having a nice dram of a Speyside... but I'm in my pijammas... so I'm not kilted- yet. I will be soon, though. I'm going to hell...) Is it a sin to own cats? I sure hope so- 'cause I have three of the little blighters!

[kennethrmc]

Nighthawk reminded me, isn't there a reflectorized kilt made for outdoor workers? And I know some arduous outdoor trekking has been done in kilts. And as for "pipers" being sissified...there are amazing accounts of pipers carrying on with their duties while men around them were being mowed down and blown to bits. It takes a ton of guts to be playing an instrument on a field where everyone else is shooting.

[Nighthawk]

Nighthawk reminded me, isn't there a reflectorized kilt made for outdoor workers? And I know some arduous outdoor trekking has been done in kilts. And as for "pipers" being sissified...there are amazing accounts of pipers carrying on with their duties while men around them were being mowed down and blown to bits. It takes a ton of guts to be playing an instrument on a field where everyone else is shooting.

Not to mention the fact that the bagpipes are the only instrument that also officially doubles as a weapon of war, according to the United Nations.

[biblemonkey]

I have been over this type of topic numerous times with so many people. I don’t wish to call him a fool as that is sinful and judgmental as well but he is indeed poorly informed and has no right to speak on this manner until he better educates himself. First of all, the writer misunderstands the kilt itself. It is MEN’S CLOTHING. There is nothing dainty, soft or effeminate about a real kilt. They are tough, thick, hearty garments that have a long tradition of being male in form and fashion so his argument that they are women’s clothing is nonsense. Second of all, he misuses those Bible verses towards his own ends. It saddens me that this type of closed minded hate is many people’s image of the church. The rest of us suffer because a scant few are overly vocal in their misunderstanding of not only Christianity but the world itself as scriptures apply to it. I wrote this man an email in response to his insulting article and have included it as follows.

Dear sir,

As a forward I would like to say that this letter is not ment to inflame, but to respond. Please take it as such and with an open and loving heart as a message from a brother in Christ. A fool despiseth his father's instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent. Proverbs 15:5

I would respectfully ask that you remove the article you posted about kilts on your site. I am a devout Christian, of Scottish heritage, and have done exhaustive research on both the Biblical applications you put forth as well as kilts themselves. I find your article to be ill informed and your reasoning to be shoddy in the extreme. Some the things that you say would be downright laughable if they were not so insulting in nature. Your words are inflammatory rather than helpful and offer up a blantant misrepresentation of not only the Biblical verses but also of the kilt and the public view of the kilt as well. Bifurcated garments are an extremly recent addition to fashion historically speaking. Kilts were designed for a mans use. Kilts as we know them today are rugged and hearty garments that predate trousers by many hundreds of years and have basis in fashions that stretched back thousands of years before that. My guess (based upon the article) is you have a personally negative view of the kilt. It seems that you are closed off to cultural or personal differences that, though the Bible does not state them as sinful unless twisted and misused, you have chosen to say are sin because you yourself do not understand or wish to tolerate those differences. I believe in the word of God as given; not as interpreted or picked at by men. I do not expect a positive response from you on this matter as I have seen some of your other posts and have seen how you typically use negativity and attack rather than an approach of loving guidance. All I can say is this, I wish you well and may God bless your search for knowledge wisdom. May He give you the discernment to tell the difference between opinion and scripture. May He grant all who are of the Body to love one another as themselves and have peace between them.

God bless,
Hugh


I sincerely hope that he will see how coarse and cruel he has been on this and many other issues and realize that law and love must work hand in hand for Christianity to exist as Christ intended.
Thanks for reading,
Hugh

[Lallans]

Hugh, I hope your very well reasoned letter will get through to the guy but I dunno... I remember that in the late 1980s there was an international group handing out little comic-book tracts denouncing the TV series "Bewitched," which had been off the air for at least 10 years, as dangerous and satanic. From what I could see, they spent an awful lot of money, time, and effort on that rather strange, if only because obsolete, cause.

[GreenDragon]

Sounds like the writings of the dillusional Fred Phelps.