New? kilt seller on eBay: AllScottish.CA

[Iain Robb]

He seems to be taking any criticism constructively and I say let's give him a chance to see what he can do.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't see him getting defensive in his last post, and in general, this thread has moved toward acknowledging differences of opinion and preferences, so my hat is off to all of you.

[tyger]

Just out of curiosity. What mill does your poly viscose come from?

Ditto.

[Snowbear]

I've been looking trough some web sites, and found something interesting.

http://www.allscottish.ca/Scotland's...ltire-Kilt.php

It says: "This infamous kilt is a genuine wool kilt designed and manufactured in Scotland by John Morrison, a well established Scottish kiltmaker."

We all know that John Morrison was a good man, but now the Gold Bros have taken over his name. Just wanted to tell you this to make any toughts about about where it comes from clear.

[10buckstew]

I sent an email to allscottish, and simply asked where the kilts were made;
as it didn't post till Friday afternoon, I don't expect an answer till Monday or so-
I'll share the results.

[smurphs1]

Dear Guy's and Girls if there are any girls on this site......

It saddens me to see all this doubt about what I sell.... I buy my kilts from scotland I have over 20 customs forms that state origin of goods UK or sometimes it'll state GB. Now I don't know where the Kilts are made in Scotland, and yes I have bought from the Gold Brothers in the past I have also bought from Reputable dealers in Scotland and to see all this negativity it hurts.

I have no contracts with the gold brothers I find their merchandise very poorly made and not up to my standards as a Scotsman a Buddy from Paisley, my family (older generation) all grew up working in the Coats Mills and others in and around Paisley and cousins in the Isle Of Skye. If anyone else wants to know about me then they will have to send me an email I will do my best to answer all questions to the best of my ability.

I don't pretend to know everything, there more people here in the N.A. continent know more about kilts than in Scotland, and I feel I've angered alot of the kilt makers here in Canada and in the USA most of whom make their own kilts in Canada and the USA if I knew how to make a kilt and it is on my list of things to do i would make them here too and charge more money well not that much more.

I know I've upset them because I have under cut their prices, and for that reason and that reason only I have decided not to post anything else on this website I will from time to time log on and check things out, ask a few questions now and then but as for conversing like I have done in the past I wont participate, "10Buckstew" I answered your question on Saturday night.

Thank you for all your critisizm and kind words good luck to you all in your own endevours in life.

Best regards,
Sean J Murphy

[Snowbear]

That explains a lot. People will critisize very easy when it comes to something new. Especially when it comes to kilts. I'm raised with the tought "if you critisized, it's not perfect. If nothing is said at all, it's perfect". Hence my critisizm. Because; who is perfect?

If I find that I need anything I will consider the store as an option. Based on the responses I will say that the owner seems like a good seller.

[The Wizard of BC]

Smurfs,

You certainly haven't angered anyone. Especially if you have found a way to offer a product at a reasonable price.

All we have ever asked is total truth in advertising.

Our members are some of the most experienced consumers in the world. They want to know exactly the fiber content of the fabric in their Kilts. They want to know the actual weight of the fabric in their Kilts. They want to know that the product they buy is precisely what the seller is saying it is.

We have seen so many resellers of the products of the Sailkot, Pakistan region. They all make the the same claims with the same pictures and the same wording. But when the product is actually compared to other known products the ones from bulk resellers always seems to be different from what was stated on the website.
We on this forum know that some of the companies from Sailkot have moved their entire operation to Scotland. Where before they advertised "Designed in Scotland" they now adversite "Made in Scotland". These two statements may be true, and usually are. But just because a company moves its entire operation to a different location but continues to product the exact same product does not give us the information we need to make an informed decision.
Even though a Kilt is sewn in Scotland does not change the product. It can be the exact same product that was produced in the original country.

What you are seeing in this forum is not anger that you can sell a product less expensivly than another. Heck we could all do the exact same thing you do. I get at least 30 emails a week from the same suppliers you are using offering their product to me at the same price you pay.
If I wished I could do exactly the same as what you are doing.
And many people around the world are doing just that.
Answer the email from these suppliers, lay down their money for an inexpensive website and start flooding the market as quickly as they can with the same product.

Over and over we have seen this and it has been proven time and time again to be the same product. You can perhaps begin to understand the many on this forum are wary and distrustful of these claims.

We have welcomed sellers of the Pakistani Kilts in the past. We would welcome more. If only they stated openly and honestly what it is they are selling.

If I may suggest;

Take actual photographs of the products you are selling. Do not use the same photos used on other websites. Do not use the photos sent to you by your supplier. Take your own photos and show us the exact product you sell.

Weigh the fabric you are selling. Weigh it in accordance with the industry standard method and post the actual weight of the fabric in the product you sell.
The accepted method is: The weight of 1 fabric yard of fabric in ounces where 1 fabric yard = 36" long X 60" wide or 2160 square inches.
If all you have are made up Kilts and not fabric then carefully measure the length of fabric in one of your product along the hem. Then measure the product from Hem to top of waistband. Multiply length by height to get the total square inches of fabric in the product. Divide that by 2160 to arrive at the fabric yard equivalent in your product.
Then using a postal scale weight your product in ounces.
This will give you a very good approxomation of the actual weight of your fabric.
Then post this weight, not the one given to you by your supplier.

Then determine the fiber content of your product. A simple burn test is the accepted method to determine fiber content. You can find a discription of a burn test here

http://craftydaisies.com/2007/04/04/fabric-burn-test

If you do not have access to samples of the standard fabrics used in Kilts then I would suggest you visit another Kilt shop or a Highland Games with some of your actual product. Lay your product on or next to actual Wool, P/V, and acrylic fabrics and photograph them. Post the photos as visual examples for comparison.
List the actual fiber content of your products, not the discription given to you by your supplier.

This way your potential customers have some real information to base their buying decisions on.

Compare Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges. Be honest in your advertising. Give your customers a fair and honest product for their hard earned money.
Do this and and you customers and members of this forum will buy your product. I can guarentee it. There is a market for inexpensive Kilts, There is a market for Acrylic Kilts. There is a market for knock-about Kilts.

But because we see the same claims, the same photos, the same advertising copy over and over again we are suspicious when yet another comes along. We've been burned before.
The saying "Once burned, twice shy" is real.

I think and hope you will be able to see that we are not angry. We want to support another supplier of Kilts to the world.
All we ask is honesty in advertising.

I have tried to contact you through your website but you only list an automated email form.

Here is my phone no. If you wish to talk about anything I have said or wish to discuss or ask questions about this world we call Kilts, I will be more than happy to take the time to speak to you.

250-386-5458.

[10buckstew]

Now what could be more fair than that? I for one, will buy one immediately, if these questions are answered satifactorily, and the price remains the same.
An open heart, leads to an open wallet. But, If Sean (Seamus?) feels set upon, I don't blame him--the feeling of fighting a horde of 'insiders' when you're on the 'outside' on a website is frustrating, no matter how little animosity was ever intended.
Good Luck!

[10buckstew]

I had a reply by email from AllScottish; and here it is, but first;

My original query was this;

Hi ! I am very interested in buying your heavyweight (16oz) Kilt, and I am wondering where it is made?
Also, Have you one in the Royal Stewart tartan?

Thank you,

*** ****Stewart I

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I had a reply from AllScottish; and here it is;

(Sean Murphy to me
show details May 2 (7 days ago) Reply)

Hi there From Allscottish,

First of all thank you for considering allscottish for your kilting needs.... I get my kilts from Scotland, I can't say with any certainty where they are made, but i can get you the kilt your looking for all I'd need is your waist size taken around your navel and your seat size (hips at widest point), I would need about 14 days to get it here from Scotland as I have them made to size.

Thank you again,

Regards,
Sean

-----A fairly humble, and honest answer. I will go back and see how it jibes with the original answer that was given; anyway There it is.

[Morris at Heathfield]

since there's no feedback yet I think it's new to eBay.

He has a 100% positive feedback rating now. I think $112.50 is a bit much to pay for a Gold Bros "Black Watch" kilt, but that may just be me. *shrug*