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21st January 24, 01:07 PM
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Highland regiments sporran chart
As we know only five kilted Highland regiments survived the 1809 reassignments: the 42nd, 78th, 79th, 92nd, and 93rd Foot.
Under the 1881 Cardwell reforms these became
The Black Watch
The Seaforth Highlanders
The Cameron Highlanders
The Gordon Highlanders
The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Their sporran traditions are a bit confusing because they weren't consistent from regiment to regiment.
For example in some regiments officers wore the same sporran for Full Dress and Levee Dress while in others they didn't.
Being the visual person that I am, I decided to come up with a chart of sorts, showing the situation according to the 1911 dress regulations.
The regiments are shown in the above order.
The right three columns are commissioned officers.
I've not included the Pipes & Drums and Military Band sporrans except when these overlap with others. (Most regiments had dedicated pipers' sporrans, not shown here.)
Here's each column labelled. Unfortunately the add-text site also reduced the image size.
The Camerons made do with two styles while the Argylls required four, having a completely different sporran for certain Senior Sergeants such as the Drum Major, Pipe Major, Colour-Sergeant, and I'm not sure who all else.
Last edited by OC Richard; 21st January 24 at 01:16 PM.
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24th January 24, 11:26 AM
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10th April 24, 05:12 AM
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about Gordons NCO sporrans
John Malcolm Bulloch in "The Gordon Highlanders Uniform" in the "Journal of the Society for Army Historical Research", Vol. 15, No. 59 (Autumn, 1936) writes that the members of the Sergeants' Mess wear the same pattern of sporran top as the officers, but without the outermost band of engraving.
I have never seen such cantle...
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11th April 24, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
the Argylls required four, having a completely different sporran for certain Senior Sergeants such as the Drum Major, Pipe Major, Colour-Sergeant, and I'm not sure who all else.
Dear OC Richard, I think the highlighted sporran is specific only to the drum major, another similar sporran with 3 tails is unique to the pipe-major, the rest SNCOs wore the standard badger head sporran.
Last edited by blackwatch70; 11th April 24 at 05:16 AM.
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19th April 24, 04:40 AM
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Last edited by OC Richard; 19th April 24 at 05:05 AM.
Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte
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19th April 24, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
It's a messy situation which I don't fully understand. Here's the two-tassel DM and three-tassel PM as you point out.
The Colour-Sergeant also wore two tassels
The Drum Major on the left and the Colour-Sergeant between the Colours is the same guy that's why sporran is same.
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19th April 24, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
It's a messy situation which I don't fully understand. Here's the two-tassel DM and three-tassel PM as you point out.
I suppose, the round top of sporrans with 3 tassels for Drum- and Pipe Majors were characteristic of the 1st Battalion from the beginning, that's why they remained after 1948, when both battalions were amalgamated.
The PM of the 1st A&SH is on your photo, just compare to 2nd A&SH, PM William Robb below.
Last edited by blackwatch70; 19th April 24 at 08:46 AM.
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19th April 24, 03:10 PM
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22nd April 24, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
Thanks for that photo! I'd not seen that one.
Here's a pre-amalgamation photo, I'm supposing it's the Pipe Major of the 93rd Foot.
I don't have a clear photo of the Pipers' sporran cantle, in this painting it just might be the same cantle which is later seen worn by the PM and DM of the 2nd Battalion Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders.
It makes sense, to keep the same sporran but change from six short tassels to three long ones. (The holes would already be in the right places.)
Yes You are correct, this is pre-amalgamation photo of the Pipe Major of the 93rd Foot.
Here is detailed photo of Piper 1st A&SH some time after amalgamation, he's wearing new regimental collar dogs but old 91st pipers uniform.
Sure You have seen this photo...
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22nd April 24, 08:25 AM
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