officers mess jackets

**mcvarmit** · 17th February 07, 10:15 AM

been looking for the perfect cutaway coat for semi-formal,formalwear occasions? web site www.worldwidetuxedos.com.they were rentals jackets, in excellant condition.

its an officers mess jacket type of coat in black, made of tropical wool, the company calls them, spencer or a tracy jacket. you can't order them online, must call in order, 1-800-286-7428.

price: $59.00 + $8.00 shipping = $67.00

if your on a budget, this is a great deal.

slick

**mcvarmit** · 17th February 07, 10:26 AM

good deal on officer type mess jackets, their black, made of tropical weight wool. they were rental jackets in excellent condition. if you've ever seen a tux with tails, picture one without the tails.

web site: www.worldwidetuxedos.com
phone#: 1-800-286-7428

its not available online, you must call in the order, ask for a spencer or a tracy jacket.

price: $59.00 + $8.00 shiping

Slick

**cavscout** · 17th February 07, 01:31 PM

It would be nice to see picture of them before buying but these are great options for a PC style coat modification project.

I picked up an Eton Tux jacket which is basically the same thing as this and turned it into a formal jacket.

Then add a 3 button vest to the jacket and you will have a nice looking outfit for formal occasions.

**Nanook** · 17th February 07, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by mcvarmit

good deal on officer type mess jackets, their black, made of tropical weight wool. they were rental jackets in excellent condition. if you've ever seen a tux with tails, picture one without the tails.

web site: www.worldwidetuxedos.com
phone#: 1-800-286-7428

its not available online, you must call in the order, ask for a spencer or a tracy jacket.

While I do well know of spencer coats I don't quite know why tracy? I don't what know what Tracy was in the House of Spencer (Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer, was the father of the the late Princess Diana) but I'd suspect someone mistook Spencer Tracy for ... :-)

Spencer coats have been the rage, off and on, since the late 18th century and continue to be the basis for many formal coates. In the 1950s they were "the jacket" in North America for ladies cocktail attire.

**mcvarmit** · 17th February 07, 03:07 PM

spencer and tracy are the brand names, have nothing to do with scottish ancestery. go to there website, look up tux. find one with tails and then imagine it without the tails.

slick

**mcvarmit** · 17th February 07, 03:13 PM

go to web site, click tux catolog, then click image marked FCGI, then click on image peak tail coat, now imagine it without tails. blonde not included.

slick

**Nanook** · 17th February 07, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by mcvarmit

spencer and tracy are the brand names, have nothing to do with scottish ancestery.

Spencer is an English and not Scottish family. The seat of the Spencers is Althorp in Northamptonshire.
These coats are not then "spencer coats" but some "Spencer and Tracy branded" coats? Spencer coats are open coats, often without buttons, cut at the waistline. What are these?

**mcvarmit** · 17th February 07, 04:06 PM

nanook, i gave it my best shot, good luck and best wishes.

slick

**mcvarmit** · 18th February 07, 11:23 AM

nanook, i apologize for giving up, the wife says i don't explain things very well.

spencer tracy and kate hepburn were both movie stars in the 30's-50's and made quite afew movies together. in some of these movies he wore a
formal tux with tails. hence they refer to this style as a spencer or a tracy
or a spencer tracy. i hope that helps some, let me know if it doesn't.

slick

**Nanook** · 18th February 07, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by mcvarmit

spencer tracy and kate hepburn were both movie stars in the 30's-50's and made quite afew movies together. in some of these movies he wore a
formal tux with tails. hence they refer to this style as a spencer or a tracy
or a spencer tracy.

That might be the misplaced motivation but the "tux without tails" was called a Spencer jacket long before Mssr Tracy was born. The style first caught on at the end of the 18th century. The style is named after the first Earl Spencer (1734–1783). Legend has it that his tails caught fire from an open flame and so he had them removed to the delight of London fashion. Whatever the origin these short top coats without tails were widely called "Spencer coats" by the 1790s. At that time they were worn with loads of military medals but we need only look at the evolution of the modern suit (born on Saville Row) to see the clear connection to officers uniforms.