Ashamed

**Archangel** · 30th August 07, 02:07 PM

Today, for the first time, I am feeling slightly ashamed to be a member of this forum.

Three thread are currently discussing violent themes. There seems to be a few members advocating very violent reaction to a woman "kilt-lifting". They are not discussing any greater intrusion than that but, in their responses, they seem to accept that particular woman deserves a slap, broken nose, unconsciousness, or worse.

I can't accept that reasoning.

I would be so upset if my friend at work finally checked this forum out on my recommendation.

I would like to hear from other members if they feel the same shame.

It's a yes or no question, there doesn't have to be any discussion about it on this thread. In fact, I would ask the moderators to remove any post that tries to lead to a discussion. (The discussion has taken place on other threads.)

My hope is that those who speak up will help change the tone of today.

**McMurdo** · 30th August 07, 02:10 PM

Archangel
I agree, and as such I have decided not to chime in on the other discussions, thank you for posting this thread.

**Arlen** · 30th August 07, 02:11 PM

I have to admit that while I do completely oppose kilt-lifting, reading those posts made me very uncomfortable.

I do Muay Thai kickboxing but I would never hit anyone unless they went for me first or it was to defend someone else.

I think the only excuse to knock a woman unconscious is if she is coming at you with a knife.
I used to have an abusive girlfriend who would beat me black and blue with New Rock boots. When I finally stood up to her I managed to do it without breaking her nose or knocking her out.
I can't forsee ever having to hit someone for looking up my kilt.

**Mr. MacDougall** · 30th August 07, 02:12 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement. It may surprise people, given that I'm a veteran and a martial artist, but the truth is, I'm pretty much a pacifist.

**ardchoille** · 30th August 07, 02:18 PM

No, I am not ashamed. Any time you deal with other people you're going to deal with varied attitudes and personalities - which invariably brings in differences other than your own. The best way to deal with that is to look at the differences, take from them that which you feel would benefit you and let the rest slide. I cannot be responsible for the attitudes and actions of others.. I can only be responsible for my own and make sure that I act with dignity and honour towards all living beings.

Life means growth and it's too short to dwell on the negative. Dwell on the positive and take pride in the fact that you are who you are

**Ozman1944** · 30th August 07, 02:26 PM

I reckon if they're THAT desperate to see what I've got, go ahead. It's all there.

**ChromeScholar** · 30th August 07, 02:34 PM

I don't get ashamed over the actions or words of other people. I have no control over what other people say or do. I only get ashamed over wrong things that I may have said or done. On top of which, the vast majority of those who posted in those threads came out against violence over kilt-lifting, so I see nothing to be ashamed of there.

**Ayin McFye** · 30th August 07, 02:37 PM

No, i'm not ashamed, but I do think the hate speech should calm down a little. If someone truly wants to know how to react to "The Question" then they have the right to ask, and XMarksTheScot is the best place to ask these questions. We all live our lives very differently, and find common ground with kilts. That does not mean we share the same morals.

I agree with McMurdo though, I have just chosen to stay out of the other conversations. I made one comment in one of them that I would tell the person "No, Stop". I have continued to ignore the other posts because they do not pertain to information that I desire to get from these forums.

I would be happy if the hate speech stopped, but it's probably best for these conversations to take place here online, than out in public where people could start giving Kilts a bad name.

I do thank you though for posting this. Maybe it will be calm some people down. But then again, maybe it won't.

**Freedomlover** · 30th August 07, 02:41 PM

What I am ashamed of is a society that seems to think that there is some sort of guarantee against being offended. Different people have different opinions, but I have no right to tell anyone else what they may or may not express.