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Deil the Yin Tartan on the Bias? 4th January 11, 12:46 PM
HeathBar I don't know about symbolism... 4th January 11, 01:32 PM
figheadair There is no historical... 5th January 11, 12:08 AM
Mike_Oettle Thanks, Peter, for the... 9th January 11, 11:10 AM
figheadair It wasn't just waistcoats but... 9th January 11, 11:29 PM
BoldHighlander Cool! :cool: I hope so to,... 9th January 11, 11:34 PM
artificer Fingers cross, Peter. I... 10th January 11, 05:13 AM
jhockin Can't recall the date, but if... 12th January 11, 11:31 AM
Woodsheal You are referring to the... 12th January 11, 04:14 PM
RockyR Leaving all historical issues... 12th January 11, 10:16 AM
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    Question Tartan on the Bias?

    I'm curious to know about Tartan "cut on the bias"... Is there any historical symbolism behind it or simply another way to fashion your tartan etc?

    Any further input is greatly appreciated...

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    I don't know about symbolism but I think bias cut started with trews and hose. Turning the material to the bias gave it more flexibility in the joints.

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    There is no historical symbolism in tartan, or any other cloth, cut on the bias. Heathbar is absolutely right about the early practice of cutting trews and hose on the bias.

    The making of jackets and waistcoats on the bias was a feature of the later Regency period and was in essence a fashion statement. The earliest bias cut tartan jacket I'm aware of is that worn by Col Alasdair Macdonnell of Glengarry in Raeburn's 1812 portrait. Glengarry was a bit of a dandy and perhaps started the fashion. Any style of tartan coat generally disappeared during William IV's reign in favour of plain coats although the odd one was still being worn later, probably older ones rather than contemporary with the date of the picture/portrait in which they appear.

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    Thanks, Peter, for the historical background. While I was aware of the use of bias in hose/trews, I had no idea when it came into use in waistcoats.
    I must say, though, that I think a bias-cut waistcoat looks a good deal smarter, since the sett then stands out from that of the kilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle View Post
    Thanks, Peter, for the historical background. While I was aware of the use of bias in hose/trews, I had no idea when it came into use in waistcoats.
    I must say, though, that I think a bias-cut waistcoat looks a good deal smarter, since the sett then stands out from that of the kilt.
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    It wasn't just waistcoats but jackets too. I've been approached to be the co-author on a book dealing with Highland Revival/Regency costume. It's in the early stages yet but with so much surviving it lends itself to a good book and I hope that we'll get it off the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    It wasn't just waistcoats but jackets too. I've been approached to be the co-author on a book dealing with Highland Revival/Regency costume. It's in the early stages yet but with so much surviving it lends itself to a good book and I hope that we'll get it off the ground.
    Cool!
    I hope so to, Peter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    It wasn't just waistcoats but jackets too. I've been approached to be the co-author on a book dealing with Highland Revival/Regency costume. It's in the early stages yet but with so much surviving it lends itself to a good book and I hope that we'll get it off the ground.
    Fingers cross, Peter. I think it would be a smashing book. Please keep us posted on developments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    The earliest bias cut tartan jacket I'm aware of is that worn by Col Alasdair Macdonnell of Glengarry in Raeburn's 1812 portrait. Glengarry was a bit of a dandy and perhaps started the fashion. Any style of tartan coat generally disappeared during William IV's reign in favour of plain coats although the odd one was still being worn later, probably older ones rather than contemporary with the date of the picture/portrait in which they appear.
    Can't recall the date, but if you check the painting of the battle of Culloden, where Highlands are in close quaters with English soliders, you'll note some of the Highlanders wearing jackets and vest, cut on the bias - pretty sure these were painted earlier than 1812 ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhockin View Post
    Can't recall the date, but if you check the painting of the battle of Culloden, where Highlands are in close quaters with English soliders, you'll note some of the Highlanders wearing jackets and vest, cut on the bias - pretty sure these were painted earlier than 1812 ...
    You are referring to the famous painting by David Morier, which was done shortly after the '45 Rebellion. Morier is best know for his accurate paintings of the various British army regimental uniforms of the period.

    And, yes! Bias-cut tartan coats do seem to be in evidence here;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsheal View Post
    You are referring to the famous painting by David Morier, which was done shortly after the '45 Rebellion. Morier is best know for his accurate paintings of the various British army regimental uniforms of the period.
    Isn't the story behind this painting that the Jacobites in it were suppose to have been modeled on prisoners the government was holding after Culloden?
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