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7th April 11, 07:29 AM
#1
Montgomery Blue\Green Pleating
I want to have a TANK made in the Montgomery Blue\Green tartan. I really like the military pleating to the stripe. Can anyone suggest which (if any) stipe would look best.
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7th April 11, 07:48 AM
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Do you mean this version? I think the best option would be one of the green stripes flanked by the blue.
[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]John Hart[/COLOR]
Owner/Kiltmaker - Keltoi
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7th April 11, 09:54 AM
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Yes this is the one i'm reffering to. I was wondering what the overall appearance would look like from the back , in other words what would appear as the background color and what would appear as vertical and horizontal stripes .
Last edited by Mudge; 7th April 11 at 08:15 PM.
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9th April 11, 12:02 AM
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 Originally Posted by mj_all
Yes this is the one i'm reffering to. I was wondering what the overall appearance would look like from the back , in other words what would appear as the background color and what would appear as vertical and horizontal stripes .
What you can do is get the imageinto MSPaint, and then select a vertical area about 25-35 threads wide. I imagine the green stripe is probably ten threads wide here. Talk to your kiltmaker before you commit to something. Like this:
Then with your tall narrow selection copied to the clipboard, open a new MSPaint document, paste, paste again and drag. Paste again and drag drag. paste again and drag, drag, drag. Etc. Like this:
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9th April 11, 08:15 AM
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Novice kiltmaker here...
very novice...meaning I've done two kilts so far...a tank to stripe and a box pleat.
I just wanted to ask you to elaborate more on your preference in pleating to the stripe? To be sure, I am a fan of pleating to the stripe, as well, with many tartans. However, I don't know that anybody should always claim that this is the style of pleating they prefer, irrespective of tartan. Each tartan is different and some look great pleated to the stripe...others not so much.
In this case, I would advise pleating it to the sett. Why? It's already a two tone fabric...a very simple pattern too. I think pleating it to the stripe makes it excessively busy...almost painful to the eyes.
Just my opinion.
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." -- Thomas Paine
Scottish-American Military Society Post 1921
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9th April 11, 09:52 AM
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 Originally Posted by longhuntr74
In this case, I would advise pleating it to the sett. Why? It's already a two tone fabric...a very simple pattern too. I think pleating it to the stripe makes it excessively busy...almost painful to the eyes.
Just my opinion.
I agree with the sentiment that I too would probably have this pleated to the sett, but I am not sure for myself on why. I orignially thought it was quite dark with narrow green among all the blue.
It could be pleated to a reveal something like this:
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23rd April 11, 09:58 AM
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Remember that an element is normally centered in a pleat in a kilt pleated to the stripe, and there's a mirror line running down the center of each pleat with one half the mirror image of the other. So, you normally wouldn't put the blue/green boundary down the center of the pleat and make one half of the pleat blue and the other green.
On another thing, whenever you do this kind of PhotoShopping to see if a pleating looks good, you really have to know what the width of the stripes are in inches. If you don't know the width of the stripes, you can't actually know what the pleating will look like. When I do this kind of thing, I assume a pleat width at the hips of about 3/4-7/8", because that's typical for a guy's kilt. If the green stripe is 1/4" across, that leaves 1/4" on each side that's dark blue. If, on the other hand, the green stripe is 1/2" across, that leaves only 1/8" of blue on each side. A very different look altogether.
Here's an example from a tartan design that I critiqued awhile back for ScotWeb. If you took a casual look at the tartan, you might think it would look great pleated to the green stripe, and you could pick chunks so that the kilt would pleat up like example "C" below. As it happens, the sett is big enough that that effect could only be accomplished in a box pleated kilt. If you made a knife-pleated kilt with normal-sized pleats, the pleats would be entirely within the light cluster, giving the actual look of example A if you pleated to the green stripe. If you didn't know what the size of the stripes were, you wouldn't have an accurate picture of what the pleating would look like.

And you really have to take tapered chunks of the tartan (not strips with parallel sides) so that you can see what it will look like if the pleats taper between the hips and the waist. Taper can eliminate a narrow color band along the edge of a pleat, and that doesn't look good.
So - if you really want to see what the kilt will look like, before you can do the PhotoShop thing, you need to know how big the stripes are, and you need to account for pleat taper.
The Montgomery might be a great tartan to pleat to the "no stripe" (i.e., the wide green block).
Last edited by Barb T; 23rd April 11 at 10:08 AM.
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Barb,
The swatch size is 10 “ tall and 7 “ wide .
Although I really do like the pleated to the stripe look and prefer it , I was wondering if that would be appropriate on the Montgomery Blue Green Modern tartan .
Questions :
1. Is it feasible to pleat to the stripe on this tartan given that the sett is very simple and given that the tartan is only 2 colors ?
2. Would it look better to just pleat to the set?
Thanks , Mike
Last edited by Mudge; 8th May 11 at 03:46 PM.
Reason: added photo
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If I were having a kilt made in this tartan, I'd try to get the kiltmaker to hide as much of the green as possible. It would produce the effect of a bunch of vertical blue stripes, but the green would "flash" when I walked.
--dbh
When given a choice, most people will choose.
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Here are some things that you might want to figure out:
Dimension A: this is the sett of the tartan
Dimension B: If you are pleating to the green stripe then you want this dimension less the 7/8" per Barb T's recommendation.
Dimension C: If you are pleating to the blue/green/blue/green/blue stripe then you want the dimension to be 7/8" but check the taper up to the waist and make sure you do not lose a blue border line.
Where is the picture?
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/photoplog/file_893.jpg

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/photoplog/index.php?n=893
Last edited by ChattanCat; 10th May 11 at 06:08 AM.
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