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24th August 11, 05:15 PM
#1
"Scots trip up on kilt style" (article)
Here is an interesting BBC article about some research that was recently conducted on Scottish weddings. Looks like even native Scots don't always get it "right"...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/2075844.stm
- Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt
- An t'arm breac dearg
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24th August 11, 05:22 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by CMcG
Interesting! I think Jock will appreciate the flat cap comment!
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24th August 11, 05:58 PM
#3
Unfortunate, though not surprising.
If an item is relegated to use 1-2 times a year, and for special occasions only, it seems likely that it's "proper" use would diminish over time as well. I suspect that as the kilt was relegated to "special use only" by some, there were others who interpreted that practice as "not important enough to wear regularly". If it's not important enough to wear, why would it be important enough to wear it "right" ?
Perhaps it is in Scotland that, by some, the Kilt has been relegated to "That thing we wear when playing Scottish dress up" ?
(OK, that was a slightly resentful response to a post in a previous thread )
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24th August 11, 06:35 PM
#4
I have a Scottish "Kilt Shirt". It's black.

(Not mine but in this style, as worn by The Corries, Circa 1960's)
I bought it because it was the shirt that I'd seen many kilted Scotsmen wearing and in my higgorance thought it was traditional. I have worn it once, but only in a try it on stylee. I decided it was far too flouncy for me. It is however the most commonly seen shirt with kilt "outfits" in all of Scotland, based only on my observation of course.
The Kilt is worn in many differing ways in Scotland. I personally don't care.
I try to listen and learn from everybody and adapt what I see and read, to wear the Kilt as I think best suits me.
How I wear MY Kilt is my take, and my opinion of what looks good for me may not be to everyones taste.
So be it.
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24th August 11, 06:49 PM
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 Originally Posted by English Bloke
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I try to listen and learn from everybody and adapt what I see and read, to wear the Kilt as I think best suits me.
How I wear MY Kilt is my take, and my opinion of what looks good for me may not be to everyones taste.
So be it.
The phenomenon of weak kilt style mentioned in the article was attributed to lack of experience and poor guidance from hire shops. Given how often you wear the kilt and your level of involvement on kilt fora English Bloke, I think you have a leg up on some of those poor "kilted but once a year" Scots. You actually take the time to figure out what you think suits you rather than relying on the advice of a rental catalogue!
As MacMillan's son mentioned, the relegation of the kilt to special occasions appears to be having a negative impact on the amount of experience that Scottish kilt wearers are getting with their national attire
- Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt
- An t'arm breac dearg
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24th August 11, 07:35 PM
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I'm looking forward to reading the book. I remember reading a post from Jock about how he came across a group of young lads who were very well turned out and how much he appreciated it. I wonder if the observations by the writer come from limited research, only in weddings, where the attendees perhaps are not Scots who have no choice but to rent/hire a kilt?
I find it odd that we (on this continent) are often corrected, yet this would be happening in Scotland so often without the same corrections. That someone, in all of these weddings, wouldn't offer some advice? That the only people knowledgeable about how to dress are the unknowing shop help?
Perhaps Jock and MoR and a few others could enlighten us as to whether the kilt is something that most folks would have? With all the readings here on folks who grew up in kilts and were taught early on how to wear it, the article sort of smacks me as a bit of book marketing. (it works, cuz I want to read it).
But I would still like to hear from our Scots on their own observations vs. this writer and author of the book.
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12th September 11, 04:43 PM
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 Originally Posted by English Bloke
I have a Scottish "Kilt Shirt". It's black.
I have 3, black, white and blue and yes, they were on special offer and cheaper than normal shirts.
I wear them at informal parties or gatherings, usually with a leather waistcoat, and my wife thinks they are OK, so they can't look too bad or she'd tell me!
If I come across a picture I'll post it, but usually it is me taking the pictures.
If you are going to do it, do it in a kilt!
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12th September 11, 05:59 PM
#8
There is really no English national dress. Some have put forth the attire worn by Morris dancers, but it is only worn by them and no-one else, and only worn for that purpose. I did a bit of that a long time ago, but had to quit for lack of time to devote to it. Get a little out of sync in some of those dances and you can accidentally smack eachother across the knuckles with big sticks, LOL!
As for Irish national dress, although worn by few, it is the kilt. Those who decided on that were Irish nationalists a little over a century ago, and really they specified solid colour kilts to distinguish from the Scots, which means that strictly speaking, kilts in Irish tartans are all incorrect! To say that it was not adopted by the Irish government is disingenuous, as Ireland did not have independence at that time, which was really the whole point. OTOH, if you were to point out that my ancestors left Ireland before that, and so none of them ever wore the kilt, I would have to admit you'd be right.
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13th September 11, 11:44 PM
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Re: "Scots trip up on kilt style" (article)
 Originally Posted by tpa
I have 3, black, white and blue and yes, they were on special offer and cheaper than normal shirts.
I wear them at informal parties or gatherings, usually with a leather waistcoat, and my wife thinks they are OK, so they can't look too bad or she'd tell me!
If I come across a picture I'll post it, but usually it is me taking the pictures.
I'm not having a go at Kilt shirts TPA, honestly. I think they look fine on other folks, I just don't think they suit me. Not because they look at all bad, just I don't feel mine suits my personality so I don't feel comfortable wearing it.
By the same token I don't wear slip-on shoes or white trainers.
I love crocs, I think they are very practical footwear but I would never wear them outside the house unless I was on mee hols... No criticism of those who do. I just choose not to.
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24th August 11, 05:51 PM
#10
I would agree about Kilts that are too long (below the middle of the knee-cap) and flat caps, but I am not convinced about 'Culloden' shirts. As to underwear that is a personal matter and not one in which I care to opine.
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