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17th August 12, 12:32 PM
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clan war-cry
In a book I was given there is a brief passage about some of the clan war-cries. It gives the war-cry for my clan, Stewart, as Creag an sgaraibh.
Could someone give me the translation of this and also, if possible, the proper pronunciation?
Thanks, Phil Payton
proud U.S. Navy vet
Creag ab Sgairbh
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17th August 12, 12:56 PM
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familypedia on Clan_Stewart_of_Appin says the war cry is "Creag an Sgaraibh" meaning The Cormorant's Rock. From what I can find The Cormorant's Rock is a feature of the landscape within the Clan Territory.
Last edited by Friday; 17th August 12 at 12:56 PM.
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17th August 12, 01:06 PM
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"Creag an Sgaraibh," translates to "The Cormorant's Rock." As you are aware, this is the war-cry of the Stewarts of Appin. It is pronounced, "craig an ska-ree."
Last edited by creagdhubh; 17th August 12 at 01:09 PM.
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17th August 12, 04:40 PM
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Thanks for the information guys. But that presents another quirk or problem, not sure which. My book says only that it is the war-cry of the Stewart Clan. It does not specify it as Stewart of Bute. To add to my problem, the clan badge of Stewart of Bute contains a unicorn's head. The Stewart of Galloway contains a cormorant feeding it young. Which would seem to me to relate to the war-cry better than the Unicorn.
I understand that the war-cries usually speak of a natural formation from the clan area.
So I guess I should ask, are Bute and Galloway near enough to one another so that they would both share the rock formation?
proud U.S. Navy vet
Creag ab Sgairbh
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17th August 12, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sailortats
Thanks for the information guys. But that presents another quirk or problem, not sure which. My book says only that it is the war-cry of the Stewart Clan. It does not specify it as Stewart of Bute. To add to my problem, the clan badge of Stewart of Bute contains a unicorn's head. The Stewart of Galloway contains a cormorant feeding it young. Which would seem to me to relate to the war-cry better than the Unicorn.
I understand that the war-cries usually speak of a natural formation from the clan area.
So I guess I should ask, are Bute and Galloway near enough to one another so that they would both share the rock formation?
That's a pelican, not a cormorant.
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17th August 12, 05:37 PM
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My advice would be to contact one of the several Clan Stewart Associations. If there is a definitive answer, they will be able to tell you.
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18th August 12, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by creagdhubh
"Creag an Sgaraibh," translates to "The Cormorant's Rock." As you are aware, this is the war-cry of the Stewarts of Appin. It is pronounced, "craig an ska-ree."
Gaelic pronunciation is always tricky because of the different dialects, albeit that there are fewer now than in the 18th century. I would say 'craig an ska-riv'.
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18th August 12, 06:59 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. I shall be taking this up with one of the Stewarts Associations. MacMillan of Ratrhdown, thanks for saying it is a pelican. I have argued that point with a scotsman before and was told, quite insistently, it was a cormorant. I have always believed it to be a pelican. I guess 2 against 1 makes it officially a pelican.
proud U.S. Navy vet
Creag ab Sgairbh
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18th August 12, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by David Thorpe
My advice would be to contact one of the several Clan Stewart Associations. If there is a definitive answer, they will be able to tell you.
I would recommend this approach as well - go to the source. Best of luck!
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19th August 12, 04:55 PM
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I think the badge is surmounted by 'a Pelican in her piety' - that is a pelican wounding her breast to feed blood to her chicks - which the bird was supposed to do in times of famine.
Anne the Pleater :ootd:
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