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26th December 14, 06:55 AM
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Cuffs on traditional Highland jackets
There's a thread on the Contemporary forum discussing the various cuffs seen on traditional Highland jackets, and I thought my reply there might as well (or better) be its own little thread here.
I don't know if contemporary Highland Dress-wearers think of it in these terms, but the various cuffs are the modern descendants of 18th century cuff styles, found on both military and civilian jackets then, both Highland and non-Highland.
One style is usually called, when speaking of uniforms, a 'slash' cuff. It's the sort usually seen on Prince Charlies, but also on the US Marines' Dress Blues jacket, and many other uniforms over the last 300 years or so.
Going way back, early clothing recovered from peat bogs included this style of jacket with form-fitting sleeves which were buttoned all the way up
Coming forward to the Middle Ages, Renaissance, and up to the 17th century one would encounter jackets with sleeves too tight to fit the hand through (whether for warmness, or for fashion) and thus the sleeves had to be buttoned at the bottom
Move to the 18th century and it had evolved into an elaborate cuff, though still capable of being unbuttoned
and by the 19th century had shrunk somewhat, to this
and on 20th century Scottish jackets came to look like this
but is widely seen on non-Scottish uniforms too
The other style is usually called, when speaking of uniforms, a 'gauntlet' cuff.
It too was originally a functional cuff; in cold weather you could unbutton the cuff and lengthen the sleeve. Here is an 18th century jacket on which the sleeves are still fully functional
but in the 19th century had evolved, with Scottish jackets, to this
and by the 20th century looked like this, on civilian jackets
I find it interesting that with Highland jackets the back of the gauntlet cuff began to be made to come up to a point, a feature AFAIK not seen in non-Highland contexts, and on all fours with Highland spats. In non-Highland uniforms the cuffs stayed round, that is, straight across the back with no point, as in early German uniforms (don't get your dander up, this uniform is from before you-know-who came to power)
A current problem with Highland jackets is that various makers call their jackets with these two cuff styles (slash and gauntlet) various things, using the terms Argyll, Braemar, and Crail more or less randomly.
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26th December 14, 09:00 AM
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Related to gautlet cuffs are what I heard called Polish or cavalry cuff, which I have on my mess jacket. The point appears to be sharper and there is no piping. Since the picture below was taken, I have removed the cuff buttons because they seemed out of place.
I've been thinking lately that I would like to get a tweed kilt jacket with Polish/cavalry cuffs... or even gautlet cuffs without the buttons. Has anyone ever seen such a thing?
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26th December 14, 11:28 AM
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The old US Army M65 field jacket had gauntlet cuffs, only the gauntlet portion was turned to the inside and not to the outside. Maybe older soldiers will remember this. The pointy gauntlet portion could be folded out and it covered the back of the hand, and was, for me anyway, a nice feature when working bare handed, or with only light gloves on it windy cold weather conditions. It really worked to keep my hands warm. Most guys thought it looked silly, and never used the gauntlet feature. But when the wind chill is 60-below, I sure did. I've always assumed the gauntlet cuff we here associate with Highland dress originated as something functional that could be folded down over the back of the hand and used to keep the wearer warmer. Remember, even the finest of homes in the 17th century were cold drafty places in winter -- and then there was the out of doors. I believe the gauntlets are pointed because on a truly functional cuff. you'd want the underside to only reach the wrist, right behind the palm of the hand, and the back portion to fold down over the back of the hand to fully cover the fingers to the first knuckle. A cuff designed to function in this way, would in it's simplest most easy to construct form would be pointed. It would help keep the wearer warm, and still leave the hand free for work. My beef with "traditional" kilt jackets today is that the gauntlet is just a useless patch of cloth sewn on to create an illusion. It's a mere vestage. A sham. If I were to have made a kilt jacket with gauntlet cuffs, I'd have the gaunlet portion made to be as functional as I believe the earlier versions to have been.
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26th December 14, 11:46 AM
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Wow what a great thread full of information on how these cuffs have evolved. I had heard that the buttons on the cuffs were so that the average rank and file soldiers wouldn't wipe their snottery noses with the cuffs of their jackets. Any truth to that one or more urban legend?
Regards David
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26th December 14, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by David Dubh
Wow what a great thread full of information on how these cuffs have evolved. I had heard that the buttons on the cuffs were so that the average rank and file soldiers wouldn't wipe their snottery noses with the cuffs of their jackets. Any truth to that one or more urban legend?
Regards David
I have heard that about the cuffs, also, but I don't know if it's historical or legendary.
Wonderful information, Richard, as always. Thanks.
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26th December 14, 01:00 PM
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Midshipmen in the Royal Navy are known as "snotties" and their uniform had three buttons around their jacket cuffs. I think therefore, there is an element of historical truth in the story.
My argyll cuffs can be folded down if required, however in the normal position, I often store small envelopes for posting, bits of paper and even a handkerchief there on occasion.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 27th December 14 at 04:29 AM.
Reason: Typo------changed an S for a D
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26th December 14, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by David Dubh
I had heard that the buttons on the cuffs were so that the average rank and file soldiers wouldn't wipe their snottery noses with the cuffs of their jackets. Any truth to that one or more urban legend?
Regards David
A problem with that tale is that officer's uniforms also had cuff buttons. Here is the then Captain Horation Nelson painted in 1781:
And this Naval officers full dress coat of circa 1909-10 retains the three buttons:
Last edited by Bruce Scott; 26th December 14 at 02:51 PM.
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26th December 14, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jock Scot
Midshipmen in the Royal Navy are known as "snotties" and their uniform has three buttons around their jacket cuffs. I think therefore, there is an element of historical truth in the story.
I think it has been quite some time since Midshipman's uniforms had the three cuff buttons. This photo is of Royal Navy Midshipman N.E. Adams, taken during WWI:
Chief Petty Officers have three buttons around their cuffs but I rather suspect it would be a bold sailor who would suggest that they had anything to do with snot...
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27th December 14, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Scott
I think it has been quite some time since Midshipman's uniforms had the three cuff buttons. This photo is of Royal Navy Midshipman N.E. Adams, taken during WWI:
Chief Petty Officers have three buttons around their cuffs but I rather suspect it would be a bold sailor who would suggest that they had anything to do with snot...
I would not dare to question a CPO! I made a small typo in my post, I should have said "had" rather than "has" (now corrected). Nevertheless RN Midshipmen are still known as Snotties.
The second picture in your first post is interesting as it shows the rank "stripes" of a RNR(Royal Navy Reserve) officer,as opposed to the straight stripes of a RN(Royal Navy) officer, or the wavy stripes of the RNVR(Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve).
" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.
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27th December 14, 08:27 AM
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JOCK, Is this the source of the phrase Wavy Navy?
And CMcG, I have seen- rarely- saxon suit/ sport coats with sleeve cuffs Wander into this territory at your own risk: http://maxminimus.blogspot.com/2010/...iesmerkin.html
http://acatbythetail.tumblr.com/post...hn-gielgud-ian
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