an old highland funeral

**Pegasys** · 27th August 16, 01:50 PM

I have been tasked by our clan president to go through our 43 some years of newsletters for a specific reason { not highland funerals } when I came across this image in our Winter 1974-1975 edition . I don't have the time right now to research the subject matter , so I thought our many historians would like to see this and tell us about its history .

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**figheadair** · 27th August 16, 11:58 PM

There's something not right here. The portrait looks too modern to be 1781. I wonder if the date is a typo for 1871? That would tie in with the dates of William Lockheart Bogle (1857-1900) and the romantic style of the portrait.

**jfraser** · 28th August 16, 01:08 AM

Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me that is a two drone bagpipe he has there. Which is interesting.

**figheadair** · 28th August 16, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by jfraser

Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me that is a two drone bagpipe he has there. Which is interesting.

It does indeed look to be a two drone set. Perhaps the artist copied the set that for years were owned by R G Glen, bagpipe makers in Edinburgh.

**Pegasys** · 28th August 16, 02:04 AM

It is possible it's a typo but if so Bogle would have been only 14 at the time of the work being done . Maybe its a rendering of an older work by another artist ? The txt accompanying the picture says 18th Century , so that would put it at 1781 ... 1871 would be 19th Century . I can see a typo in the 4 digit year but in both references ? I found a web page in New York that does art authentication https://www.artexpertswebsite.com/pa...ists/bogle.php ... maybe they would take a look at this for us and render an opinion . The people who contributed to our publication in the 70's are long gone , but I will make some enquiries now that we have a bit of a mystery .

Originally Posted by figheadair

There's something not right here. The portrait looks too modern to be 1781. I wonder if the date is a typo for 1871? That would tie in with the dates of William Lockheart Bogle (1857-1900) and the romantic style of the portrait.

**figheadair** · 28th August 16, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by Pegasys

It is possible it's a typo but if so Bogle would have been only 14 at the time of the work being done . Maybe its a rendering of an older work by another artist ? The txt accompanying the picture says 18th Century , so that would put it at 1781 ... 1871 would be 19th Century . I can see a typo in the 4 digit year but in both references ? I found a web page in New York that does art authentication https://www.artexpertswebsite.com/pa...ists/bogle.php ... maybe they would take a look at this for us and render an opinion . The people who contributed to our publication in the 70's are long gone , but I will make some enquiries now that we have a bit of a mystery .

Would be unterested to see what the art work say but from an historical dress perspective the clothes are wrong for the period they are supposed to depict (coat cut on the cross and metal buttons), especially as Highland Dress was still outlawed in 1781. Everything about it say Victorian romantic to me.

**tripleblessed** · 28th August 16, 06:21 AM

A search for the artist turned up this: http://s40.photobucket.com/user/siub...bogle.jpg.html
It may be that this style is his mental image, and only that.

**Pegasys** · 28th August 16, 09:09 AM

The Project Gutenberg eBook of The Pipes of War, by Brevet-Col. Sir Bruce Seton, Bart., Of Abercorn, C.B. and Pipe-Major John Grant.

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WOW ...

waaaaay too much for me to delve into right now ... glad I turned it over to the experts

Originally Posted by tripleblessed

A search for the artist turned up this: http://s40.photobucket.com/user/siub...bogle.jpg.html
It may be that this style is his mental image, and only that.

**tundramanq** · 28th August 16, 02:19 PM

A whole lot of press and publishers will grab any image for their articles that seems appropriate to them. And way too often "them" are ignorant on the subject at hand.

**OC Richard** · 28th August 16, 05:46 PM

I'm with Peter, the style of the painting is much more modern than purported.

It's my opinion that the painting shows clear influence of photography. I believe that the artist might have posed models and photographed them.

Yes the set of pipes is obviously based on the "1409" pipes, which probably were a 19th century fake:

As an aside, I met Col. Ewing when I attended the Coeur d'Alene piping school in 1982. I was told that he lived in Southern California in the 1930s and piped in Shirley Temple movies and many other old Hollywood films.

Here's a photo I took at the school. Col. Ewing is on the left (playing my pipes, WWI Hendersons) and Pipe Major Evan MacRae on the right. PM MacRae had recently retired from long Army service including the Cameron Highlanders (he was a WWII veteran as I recall) and he won the Gold Medal at Oban a few weeks after this photo was taken.

Offtopic, but Evan MacRae's image is often seen in the most random places

http://forums.bobdunsire.com/forums/...d.php?t=128975