newbie question

**elperrogrande** · 25th June 18, 11:50 AM

i will try and keep it short. i have my brothers wedding in september and i was planning on wearing a kilt. i was originally going to borrow a friends kilt but that was before i had a understanding of the whole clan tartan system. now i would really like to wear my family tartan. my grandfather was a Sutherland born in Scotland and the first of his family to move to canada he was also a sergeant in the gordan hylanders . i dont have the budget for a 300 to 500$ kilt so i have been looking for a pv in the sutherland tartan with no luck. all i can find is the Sutherland tartan in acrylic at highland kilts. i did contact usa kilts and they said the sutherland tartan is not available in pv. after reading tons of post here i dont want acrylic. does anyone know of a place that has what i am looking for?

**Father Bill** · 25th June 18, 11:59 AM

When you were in touch with USA Kilts, did you get a price on their “semi-formal” kilts? They have several levels of formality with varying prices.

**Jumpmonkey** · 25th June 18, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Father Bill

When you were in touch with USA Kilts, did you get a price on their “semi-formal” kilts? They have several levels of formality with varying prices.

I believe you're thinking of the "semi-traditional" kilts. They are PV, so if they can't get the tartan in PV, the semi-trad won't be any help. Alas the 5yarders are in the $300 range.

Depending on how budgety things are, you can order a 5yd kilt from USA Kilts and pay the first half when you order, and pay the rest when they finish making it. If you're close enough you can do like me, and make payments here or there and use it as an excuse to visit the shop. "Oh, hey honey, I bought another pair of hose while I was there..."

**Steve Ashton** · 25th June 18, 05:08 PM

P/V stands for Polyester/Viscose. Viscose is the British term for Rayon. So P/V means a Polyester/Rayon blend fabric.

I am very sorry but the only kilt quality Poly/Rayon fabrics are woven by Marton Mills. Rocky and I have access to every Tartan available from Marton Mills and I'm sorry but Sutherland is not among the stock P/V fabrics.

**Dollander** · 25th June 18, 06:51 PM

Sutherland used to be available in PV, but it was discontinued. But seeing as the progenitors of Clans Sutherland and Murray were brothers, if you feel like you absolutely need a connection to your ancestry, have you considered the Murray of Atholl tartan? It's available in PV in both ancient and modern. And while USA Kilts only stocks the ancient, it can't hurt to ask if they can special-order the modern version for you if that's what you prefer.

**Steve Ashton** · 25th June 18, 07:04 PM

Heck, if you are going to go to the expense of a custom run of fabric you may as well get Sutherland.

**Dollander** · 25th June 18, 07:36 PM

The Murray of Atholl Modern wouldn't be a custom run, it's just not among the PV tartans that USA Kilts keeps in stock.

**Steve Ashton** · 25th June 18, 07:57 PM

If it is not currently listed in Marton Mills stock Tartan list it will be a custom run. Even a color change between modern and ancient would be a custom run.

**Dollander** · 25th June 18, 09:01 PM

I purchased a swatch of it not that long ago, and it's still listed on Marton Mills' website: https://martonmills.com/product/murray-of-atholl-m-2/ And Rocky also mentioned its availability (but that they didn't carry it) when I noticed that they had two bolts of the ancient among their stock of PV fabric while at their anniversary party. So if it's been discontinued, it must've happened even more recently than MM's latest site update...particularly since they do indeed list fabrics have been discontinued but still have limited stock available.