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    Vegan kilts

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    That tartan presents a few pleating options, that would lead to very different kilts.

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    What a load of tosh! Polyester viscous production has considerable negative environmental effects, unlike sheep.

    http://www.tortoiseandladygrey.com/2...cts-polyester/

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    What a load of tosh! Polyester viscous production has considerable negative environmental effects, unlike sheep.

    http://www.tortoiseandladygrey.com/2...cts-polyester/
    Of course they couldn't possibly be making it out of recycled materials, could they?

    Although I'd prefer if they went with linen or hemp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyckname View Post
    Of course they couldn't possibly be making it out of recycled materials, could they?

    Although I'd prefer if they went with linen or hemp.
    Both hemp and linen yarn are quite slubby and uneven compared to worsted yarn, either of those would make for a very different looking and feeling textile. Iron up nice and crisp though for good pleats, as long as you never sit down and wrinkle it haha.

    Even assuming non-recycled polyester I'd say the worse part of the equation is the viscose. Carbon disulfide used extensively in the production of semi-synthetic fibers is a very hazardous chemical which has been causing death and disease since it was first used in the rubber industry in the 19th century.

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    Miss Edwards last sentence in her bio says a lot.

    “Inspiring others with this message is my contribution to the fight for climate justice”

    ...for $12 bucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    What a load of tosh! Polyester viscous production has considerable negative environmental effects, unlike sheep.

    http://www.tortoiseandladygrey.com/2...cts-polyester/
    There's little way to actually be alive without causing harm of some sort.
    Here's tae us - / Wha's like us - / Damn few - / And they're a' deid - /
    Mair's the pity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Polyester viscous production has considerable negative environmental effects, unlike sheep.
    I think you're confusing climate action and veganism. Veganism is the desire to not consume animal products. Environmentalism is the desire to consume products with little or no environmental impact. 2 different beliefs, sometimes with great overlap, but still the "negative environmental effect" argument is not applicable here.

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    I understand and respect the rationale some people have of not wanting an animal to be sacrificed for one's attire. However, sheep generally survive being sheared, so that the wool can grow back for next year's "harvest." So I'm not sure that any sheep are harmed to make a wool kilt.

    Now I can imagine that not all sheep are living in ideal conditions, although it would seem more likely that those destined to become lambchops are more likely to be raised in factory conditions than those who will be sheared on a regular basis for their wool.

    So I am just a little unsure what is so "un-vegan" about wool.

    The leather straps (or footwear) I can totally understand. But the wool material seems less of a clear-cut issue of animal welfare (or survival).

    Just a question I found myself wondering about.

    Andrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingandrew View Post
    So I'm not sure that any sheep are harmed to make a wool kilt.
    ...
    Just a question I found myself wondering about.
    I wondered that too, so I looked into it. And what I learned was a little hard to stomach.
    Caution, difficult subject matter to follow, you may not want to read what follows...

    Sheep are harmed to make wool.

    At first I thought it was a North American thing, because we can be a very commercially competitive nation, often putting production over morals. However I learned that the harming of sheep is widespread in UK wool production too. I still kept an air of disbelief in the back of mind, until I was invited to an event, as part of my political life, that included a sheep shearing demonstration. In this demonstration I watched as a sheep was lifted off the ground and essentially "suplexed" onto the ground. The sheerer unhappy with the sheep's percieved lack of cooperation chose to then repeatedly punch the sheep while she set about sheering it. The uncooperative sheep we repeatedly cut and was bleeding significantly when the sheering was done and ran for cover. The sheering assistant hid the bloodied wool under a pile of other wool to hide it. This was at a public, family, event!
    Then recently the Guardian UK went undercover to show the abuse that UK farms were committing against the sheep there. Again, violently punching and kicking the animals, forcibly dragging them around and sheering with no guides, causing cuts and bloodied wool.

    The picture I was sold as a kid of the caring farmer, carefully sheering a sheep for its wool, and the relieved sheep smiling after, is a lie I bought because it was convenient.

    There is some, but very little natural wool production where wool is collected from sheep that are naturally shedding/molting. But this production is too slow for most, and many sheep themselves have been bred to overproduce wool at a rate to which they can't shed/molt. We've done this to them, and ourselves.

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