Woman Laugh but Men are Arrested

[mikepalmer]

Has anyone had a perfect stranger (woman) ask them what they are wearing under their kilt? This has happened to me several times, first in my Costco store by a Costco employee, then at a surplus store while shopping for a wide belt. I mean no shame or anything "do you have underwear on" and last week I had a lady lift up my kilt while in the elevator asking her friend if she thought I had the legs for wearing a kilt. I told her she could get arrested and she replied "not a chance" woman are exempt don't you know.

A guy could get arrested for these actions. I am not really bothered but it makes for interesting conversation. PS I always wear dark undies just in case.

[Steve Ashton]

I have related this story before but perhaps it is time to tell it again.

A few years ago I was attending a kilt night at a local downtown pub in Vancouver, BC.

I was sitting in a booth about 5 feet away from the bar where three guys were leaning enjoying a drink. Each of the guys was facing the same way so could not see what was going on behind them.

A woman about my age, who had obviously had more than one drink, began to ask each of the three guys in turn if she could check if they were "regimental".

She approached the first guy and while annoyed he said OK. The lady slid her hand up his leg.

She then approached the second guy. At first the guy said no. Then twice more after getting what I am sure the woman thought was cute "Oh pretty please". Finally the second guy said OK,

The woman then approached the third guy. She starting in with the same request and the same begging manner. The guy said No quite firmly. On the second request he said no again. This time loud enough that everyone within 10 feet could hear him.
The woman then moved to stand directly in front of the third guy. She was wiggling in what I guess she thought was an enticing manner and begging in a little girl voice. "Oh please, pretty please, I just want to make sure you are a 'real scot'." The guy repeated NO again.

The woman then proceeded to reach down for the man's front apron. As her hands full of kilt came up, the third guy reached behind his back and pulled out a pair of handcuffs.
In a rather loud voice so he would have witnesses he stated "Maam, my name is constable XXX I am an off-duty police officer. I told you no three times. Do you not understand that no means no?. Please accompany me, I am placing you under arrest."

The woman is now a convicted sex offender and must register where ever she lives.

[CDNSushi]

That is a good story, Steve...

Unfortunately, the world is full of double standards, and this is (often) one of those. It's hard to fight against because many women (and men, for that matter) think that it is not possible for men to be sexually harassed or assaulted. And if a man DOES speak out, he's often seen to be a whiner (at best) or less than a man (at worst).

[Steve Ashton]

There are only double standards when we allow them. perhaps it is time we stopped allowing it.

And someone can only feel like a whiner or less of a man if they feel that way about themselves. That is inside you. You make the decision to feel that way.

"It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better still to be a live lion. And usually easier." RAH

[ratspike]

I've been asked quite a few times, almost always by a stranger or someone who doesn't know me very well. When it's an honest, genuine question I don't mind talking about what may or may not be worn under a kilt. Usually though it's someone thinking they're being cute, so my reply tends to be pretty rude.

I've only had someone actually put their hands on me once, a drunk Scottish woman at the annual shindig thrown by the pirate group PDX Yar here in Portland. I briefly though it was someone my wife knew, until I realized that she was yelling at the woman who'd just lifted my kilt. It escalated pretty quickly from there. After ranting at her, along with laying down exactly what would happen if she did it again, I went and found the event organizers and had words. They tracked her down and had a conversation immediately after that. She tried to apologize to me later but I wasn't having it.

[Mikilt]

I have only been asked a few times and I inform them very soberly that I always wear undershorts because going without is darned high on the "Ick factor" scale.

[Willie T]

I had something similar happen to me during my Highland Dancing years. I was probably 14 at the time and I was competing in Estes Park, Colorado. A teenage girl there didn't even bother to ask me. She just lifted up my kilt for all to see! I of course was wearing black underwear underneath which Highland Dancers are required to wear. I can only imagine if a boy or man was to do that to someone of the opposite sex what the reaction would be. I can't understand why some women think that is an ok thing to do. Even if someone is wearing underwear underneath, most people do not wish to be seen in their underwear in public.

[Shedlock2000]

I have related this story before but perhaps it is time to tell it again.

A few years ago I was attending a kilt night at a local downtown pub in Vancouver, BC.

I was sitting in a booth about 5 feet away from the bar where three guys were leaning enjoying a drink. Each of the guys was facing the same way so could not see what was going on behind them.

A woman about my age, who had obviously had more than one drink, began to ask each of the three guys in turn if she could check if they were "regimental".

She approached the first guy and while annoyed he said OK. The lady slid her hand up his leg.

She then approached the second guy. At first the guy said no. Then twice more after getting what I am sure the woman thought was cute "Oh pretty please". Finally the second guy said OK,

The woman then approached the third guy. She starting in with the same request and the same begging manner. The guy said No quite firmly. On the second request he said no again. This time loud enough that everyone within 10 feet could hear him.
The woman then moved to stand directly in front of the third guy. She was wiggling in what I guess she thought was an enticing manner and begging in a little girl voice. "Oh please, pretty please, I just want to make sure you are a 'real scot'." The guy repeated NO again.

The woman then proceeded to reach down for the man's front apron. As her hands full of kilt came up, the third guy reached behind his back and pulled out a pair of handcuffs.
In a rather loud voice so he would have witnesses he stated "Maam, my name is constable XXX I am an off-duty police officer. I told you no three times. Do you not understand that no means no?. Please accompany me, I am placing you under arrest."

The woman is now a convicted sex offender and must register where ever she lives.

I am assuming that this is a true story, Steve? If so, I must admit that I am extremely surprised at this (not at the standards, just at the occasion of it happening). In 30 years of kilt wearing, I have never heard of this sort of thing happening.

I go regimental (there are a number of reasons for this, not the least of which is that I was once in a regiment!), but I have often wondered what the situation would be if, for whatever reason, one was caught in flagrante delicto by some action of another. I do worry about it from time to time -- especially given the sensitivity to that sort of thing in today's society.


My only real experience of this thing was about 15 years ago in a line up for a club in Buxton, Derbyshire. The club had a bit of a reputation, but wasn't a dive -- however, some of Britain's thin blue line were stood on patrol outside the club. A couple of girls were chatting and playfully asked if they could check whether what they heard was true; fortunately, I was stood right next to a WPC, and said to the girls (as I am hardly bashful), if its ok with her (pointing at the WPC), then it's alright with me; the WPC smiled and nodded, the girls checked, and everything was golden.

On reflecting upon this experience, I sometimes wish that such an experience were able to be safely repeated. I am not prudish nor do I have issues with people being naked in public, so I don't tend to worry about it much. That's not to say that I don't appreciate the concerns of others, just that I don't share them. I do worry, though, that there is, or may be, a certain iniquity in this matter: it is certainly not polite to ask a lady what she is wearing under her dress/skirt!

[The Q]

Strange Occurance last Saturday night at a company dinner. (only company personnel and hotel staff on the premises)
I was kilted with Argyll jacket etc, as it was supposed to be a smart occasion.

Two "ladies" passed to me a newly unfolded napkin, which had pre-printed in a slightly cartoon fashion the lower half of a lady, knees to waist, naked except for a pair of very small blue polka dot knickers.
Now the questions are....Why?
And why did one of them carry such things out to a formal dinner? ( the establishments napkins were all white and cloth...).

As I was at a company dinner, not wanting to cause a problem, I just said thank you and left to sit by my wife....

[Stoff]

Strange Occurance last Saturday night at a company dinner. (only company personnel and hotel staff on the premises)
I was kilted with Argyll jacket etc, as it was supposed to be a smart occasion.

Two "ladies" passed to me a newly unfolded napkin, which had pre-printed in a slightly cartoon fashion the lower half of a lady, knees to waist, naked except for a pair of very small blue polka dot knickers.
Now the questions are....Why?
And why did one of them carry such things out to a formal dinner? ( the establishments napkins were all white and cloth...).

As I was at a company dinner, not wanting to cause a problem, I just said thank you and left to sit by my wife....

Smart man. go sit where it is safe.