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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    Now is this going to be directly linked to the film/book? I should hope not.

    If it's not, they need to make sure they either ditch the name of Braveheart, along with any mention thereof, or make The Bruce the central character. Otherwise, they'd just be furthering a bastardized version of history.

    I still get a little riled when I hear William Wallace refered to as "Braveheart". Pfffft...

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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Ross View Post
    Now is this going to be directly linked to the film/book? I should hope not.

    If it's not, they need to make sure they either ditch the name of Braveheart, along with any mention thereof, or make The Bruce the central character. Otherwise, they'd just be furthering a bastardized version of history.

    I still get a little riled when I hear William Wallace refered to as "Braveheart". Pfffft...

    I'd say they'll remove the name. Apparently there was quite an uproar about Robert the Bruce's portrayal in the film here.
    And over time there appears to be a great backlash against the movie. The Wallace statue in Stirling has been vandalised a number of times due to its likeness to Mel Gibson.

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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackrose87 View Post
    I'd say they'll remove the name. Apparently there was quite an uproar about Robert the Bruce's portrayal in the film here.
    And over time there appears to be a great backlash against the movie. The Wallace statue in Stirling has been vandalised a number of times due to its likeness to Mel Gibson.
    Well, that, and the statue was just goofy looking.

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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    If it is in the same vein as the Spartacus TV series as advertised with its filth, swearing and nudity and computer graphics then I'll certainly not watch, it could be an affront to Wallace himself

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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post
    If it is in the same vein as the Spartacus TV series as advertised with its filth, swearing and nudity and computer graphics then I'll certainly not watch, it could be an affront to Wallace himself
    I think there is a difference between accuracy and authenticity. The Roman society is known to have been very violent, full of sexual decadence from the ruling elites down to the peasants. We hear cries of wanting historical accuracy or authenticity in our shows...but only if it fits within our accepted morals and beliefs. While the only really factual part that can be proven is there appears to have been a slave revolt that brought down 6 Army legions by a fella the Romans called Spartacus. The remaining filler does not make it any less "authentic" though when we have ample information that shows the downfall of society, what were accepted norms, (i.e., Caligula was both crazy and a sexually perversive deviant and it was reflected in his courts and admirers in their action to be like him).

    I would argue that whether you agree with the contents or not....the show is on a channel that requires you to ask for access (at least on Dish Network)...and does a fair attempt to compromise a balance between authenticity and accuracy in a historical context. Another similar is the series Rome.

    I surmise that many people today would not like the historically authentic revelation of their favorite figures in our past! Be careful what you ask for when it comes to history being presented with both accuracy and authenticity. The computer graphics are due to the hugely successful movie 300...the stop action vintage patina of the film shots....and enhanced blood spatter are all part of that. In my opinion just a 50 year evolution from seeing Batman and Robin have call-outs that said BOOM POW CRUNCH when we watched them in our youth...

    Just a thought....
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    I remember an interview with the historian who served as an advisor to HBO during the filming of "Rome". The asked if he felt the sex, and violence shown was historically accurate. "No", he replied, "There's not nearly enough of it!"
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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brock63 View Post
    I think there is a difference between accuracy and authenticity. The Roman society is known to have been very violent, full of sexual decadence from the ruling elites down to the peasants. We hear cries of wanting historical accuracy or authenticity in our shows...but only if it fits within our accepted morals and beliefs. While the only really factual part that can be proven is there appears to have been a slave revolt that brought down 6 Army legions by a fella the Romans called Spartacus. The remaining filler does not make it any less "authentic" though when we have ample information that shows the downfall of society, what were accepted norms, (i.e., Caligula was both crazy and a sexually perversive deviant and it was reflected in his courts and admirers in their action to be like him).

    I would argue that whether you agree with the contents or not....the show is on a channel that requires you to ask for access (at least on Dish Network)...and does a fair attempt to compromise a balance between authenticity and accuracy in a historical context. Another similar is the series Rome.

    I surmise that many people today would not like the historically authentic revelation of their favorite figures in our past! Be careful what you ask for when it comes to history being presented with both accuracy and authenticity. The computer graphics are due to the hugely successful movie 300...the stop action vintage patina of the film shots....and enhanced blood spatter are all part of that. In my opinion just a 50 year evolution from seeing Batman and Robin have call-outs that said BOOM POW CRUNCH when we watched them in our youth...

    Just a thought....
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    I <3 spartacus! This show has the best earrings on cable and a great soundtrack.

    Side note I learned in a college costume history class: Roman prostitutes would have letters affixed (or tooled out, I forgot) on the bottom of soles of their sandals, so when they would walk through the sand, they'd leave footprints that said "follow me".
    Sucha modest and chaste society.

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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    Quote Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome View Post
    Well, that, and the statue was just goofy looking.
    I agree. During my tenure as a student-teacher, teaching K-12 Art, I had students that could sculpt better than that hunk of crap!

    Cheers,
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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    Quote Originally Posted by creagdhubh View Post
    I agree. During my tenure as a student-teacher, teaching K-12 Art, I had students that could sculpt better than that hunk of crap!

    Cheers,
    I can't see why the council didn't replaced it with something better, seeing the opinion of it in the local community.
    Apparently it was very popular with tourists, so money talks I guess.

    I fear that the same will happen with this tv programme. STV will want to export this to as wide an audience as possible, so they are probably going to lean more towards the Hollywood idea rather than the actual history.
    A lower budget, grittier drama would be a lot better. They managed to keep Taggart running for years with a reasonable audience, so hopefully this show could emulate its success
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    Re: TV version of Braveheart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackrose87 View Post
    I can't see why the council didn't replaced it with something better, seeing the opinion of it in the local community.
    Apparently it was very popular with tourists, so money talks I guess.
    I think you 'hit the nail on the head!'

    Cheers,

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