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    I understand the argument but am not convinced. The same visual 'effect' can be achieved simply by folding one side of the upper portion back towards the opposite shoulder: the cloth is then effectively doubled on the fastening side but single if undone and worn as a cloak.





    i understand the argument but the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    I understand the argument but am not convinced. The same visual 'effect' can be achieved simply by folding one side of the upper portion back towards the opposite shoulder: the cloth is then effectively doubled on the fastening side but single if undone and worn as a cloak.
    I see what you are saying and can visualise it. I can understand how that could account for the arrangement at the figure's left shoulder (right of image), but I do not see how it can account for the fold at the figure's right hip (left of image).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calgacus View Post
    I see what you are saying and can visualise it. I can understand how that could account for the arrangement at the figure's left shoulder (right of image), but I do not see how it can account for the fold at the figure's right hip (left of image).
    The arranging of the upper portion of the plaid can result in that effect as here and for me this is a reasonable explanation for the fold in Waitt's portrait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    The arranging of the upper portion of the plaid can result in that effect as here and for me this is a reasonable explanation for the fold in Waitt's portrait.

    CIMG0724.jpg
    It results in that general arrangements of folds for sure (I have worn a belted plaid in just that manner myself), but it does not, and as far as I can see, cannot account for the double edge as highlighted at the figure's right hip. Folds, yes, sure. The double edge, no.

    I can see I'm going to have to buy some dust sheets...

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    Imagine the upper portion of the plaid hanging down prior to being arranged; then take one corner and take it behind to the opposite shoulder and it will fold back on itself creating a double edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Imagine the upper portion of the plaid hanging down prior to being arranged; then take one corner and take it behind to the opposite shoulder and it will fold back on itself creating a double edge.
    Yes, I understood that, and at first thought that this could account for arrangement at the figure's left side, however having thought about it further, I doubt it can account for that either. The only way to demonstrate/settle this will be to attempt to recreate it, so I'm happy to agree to disagree until I can find the time to get hold of some sheets, and maybe a tailor's dummy.

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    The fellows have (as usual) grabbed the ball and run with it - the Braveheart costume is not a great kilt, it is a small kilt with what is usually the under apron extended and worn uppermost. the long end is thrown back over the shoulder.

    It wasn't authentic for Braveheart, not is it right for the Scottish play, because it isn't anything which was ever worn as clothing in the real world, but it should not be difficult to make as costume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pleater View Post
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    - the Braveheart costume is not a great kilt, it is a small kilt with what is usually the under apron extended and worn uppermost. the long end is thrown back over the shoulder.
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    Anne the Pleater :ootd:
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